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Re: Emacspeak tutorial complete

Hello Robert,

I believe there was a need for an easy to understand "how to" to get emacspeak up and running.  For many blind users it is a daunting task.

But now we have Vinux which has emacspeak already working in the CD so people can access the great documentation.  As I mentioned above, the problem for many was getting it working.  Once it is working, blind users can explore and hear the documentation that exists.

I wish to thank Alex, Dr. Bongo the active force behind Vinux, and the others of the Vinux Development team for bring emacspeak to the masses.

Of course we are bringing emacspeak which is a tremendous program and we are entirely indebted to Dr. TV Raman and those on this list and the many others who have written lisp extensions which bring the web in all it's written and multimedia glory to the blind.

I cannot tell you how appreciative I am of Dr. Raman and those of the Vinux team who have given us an "off the shelf" working emacspeak which is completely configured to do as much as we have learned to do.

Thanks again,

David J. Ring, Jr.

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Robert D. Crawford <robdcraw@gmail.com> wrote:
One of the nice things about the emacs community is that there is a
boatload of documentation already written on the net.  Searching the
emacswiki can always be of help to a new user.  To write completely
about emacs and how to do everything is, really, an insurmountable
task.  Better to give a good, solid introduction so that people know
what can be done and where to go for help and then allowing them to do

Of course, this is only my opinion, worth every penny you paid for it.


Alex Midence <alex.midence@gmail.com> writes:

> Good day, Dr. Raman,
> Certainly this appeals.  I will see what I can do with this regard.
> I'm sure I can come up with things just by doing a search in the forum
> for emacspeak.  I will post what I find and keep an eye out.  So far,
> Emacspeak has been the big scary app for the Linux super advanced
> elite in the case of many with whom I've spoken.  I was hoping to
> change that somewhat by introducing it in a simplified way.
> Naming convensions and top and bottom of buffer:
> I found the reference to m-s-, and m-s-.   I don't remember why I
> included in there that way in that part of the document since, as far
> as I can tell, the rest uses the standard m-< and m-> convention.  I
> will fix that.  I actually address this very thing here:
> "• Shift key combinations: You probably guessed this one. s followed
> by a dash is short for holding down shift and hitting something else.
> Most of the time,
> shift is held down in conjunction with something else. For instance,
> m-s-, is alt+shift+comma. These combinations are actually pretty
> rarely displayed
> as m-s-something. Usually, they tell you to hit m-something where that
> something can only be gotten to by hitting shift. For example, m-< for
> top of buffer
> and m-> for bottom of buffer. You can usually only get to the < and >
> signs by holding shift and hitting the comma and period respectively.
> So, m-s-, and
> m-s-. That takes forever to write hence the shortened form I told you about."
> Media:
> To be honest, I almost did not include a section on this topic in the
> tutorial because I do not use Emacspeak for this and everything I
> found seemed to indicate that you needed alsa-player or something like
> that.  In Vinux, we use Pulse Audio.  People wanted it though and Dave
> Hunt who has been working his way towards learning Emacspeak  at about
> the same time as myself contributed his howto in a forum posting.  I
> got his permission and modified it a bit to fit the document more.  I
> confess I have not tried this out myself.  If there is something you
> would like to see placed in it which a newcomer to Linux can wrap
> their head around readily, I would be greatly interested in adding it
> to the document.
> While I am on the subject of things I was not able to include either
> because I did not know how to do something or because I could not find
> anyone who was willing to write about it, I wanted to put in something
> about twitter and facebook.  I don't tweet and I don't have a facebook
> account but many people just love it to death.  I went ahead and
> submitted the document anyway though because time was running out for
> me.  My wife and I are expecting our new baby girl at the end of May
> and free time is steadily dwindling for me as we prepare the house to
> receive her.
> Another thing I wanted to put in was a discussion on how to use the
> Emacs calendar.  The docs I found on it look pretty straightforward
> though so, I don't feel quite so bad about that one as I do about the
> twitter and facebook ones.
> If you find other areas that could use a revision, by all means let me
> know and I will do my best to update the document quickly.  I
> certainly do not wish to propagate misinformation or complicate that
> which can be simpler for people.  At the same time, I want to keep the
> document as simple and nontechnical as I can get away with since it's
> a jump start document and not a comprehensive guide.  Any updates made
> to the document will be available to upon execution of the sudo
> update-manual command which will put in a fresh copy of the
> documentation being written for Vinux users.
> Best regards and thank you for your feedback,
> Alex M
>  On 4/1/11, T.V. Raman <tv.raman.tv@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Alex, D.J, and everyone else from the vinux world:
>> After reading the tutorial Ihave a few observations:
>> 1. A few years ago when I started the emacspeak blog, I   had the
>> intention of writing up task-oriented articles from time to time
>> --- basically it has not happened for the most part.
>> 2. The tutorial you wrote shows abundantly that such
>> task-oriented articles would still be useful --- for instance,
>> the media player section in the tutorial misses lots of things
>> you can do with the m-player interface. The Web browsing section
>> misses out on url templates, which is probably the single most
>> productive aspect of web interaction with emacs/w3.
>> 3. So here is a question:  I presently dont have the time to
>> participate on mailing lists and answer individual questions as
>> they come up. But if folks like yourself can volunteer to collect
>> questions, and group them into specific tasks e.g. "How Do I:"
>> type of questions, where say every set of 5 related questions
>> become a "task", then I can look to writing task-oriented
>> articles for the emacspeak blog --- you point to that content
>> from the vinux documentation, or include it directly.
>> If this appeals to you, let me know.
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> --raman
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> --raman
>> On 4/1/11, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@arrl.net> wrote:
>>> Thank you Raman,
>>> csound it is.
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