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Re: emacspeak and w3



Which elpa archive did you find w3 on -- Iwasn't aware of anyone
having packaged it.

>>>>> "David" == David Tseng <davidtseng@gmail.com> writes:
    David> W3 is now available via ELPA. W3m is not. wrote:
    David> 
    >> Good point re elpa -- that is how I now install most
    >> packages. However I dont believe w3 or w3m are available
    >> via the default GNU packages archive -- nor have I found
    >> them on the additional marmalade package archive.
    >> -- 
    >> 
    >> -- 
    >> 
    >> 
    >> On 5/8/12, David Tseng <davidtseng@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>> Incidentally, after building w3 and w3m from source in
    >>> the past, I now take the easy way out by using ELPA. It's
    >>> worth a look for discovering and quickly trying out
    >>> packages you may not have previously stumbled upon.
    >>> 
    >>> On 5/7/12, Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>> The quick and dirty 'fix' I applied for this werror is
    >>>> to comment out the two lines from w3-speak.el which
    >>>> require emacspeak-fix-interactive at cimpile time. This
    >>>> stops the make process from exiting early and ensures
    >>>> the rest of the *.el files are compiled. It does not
    >>>> appear to have any dramatic impact.
    >>>> 
    >>>> Raman, I looked at your patch from your w3 and I think
    >>>> your right. It looks like all you changes do is remove
    >>>> some of the excessive 'padding' w3 was doing when
    >>>> rendering things like lists and blockquote. On my
    >>>> system, the unmodified version would put boxquote
    >>>> elements and lists right over on the right hand side -
    >>>> so much so that blockquotes would end up being rendered
    >>>> as only one or two words per line. I found that
    >>>> modifying the default.css file to change all margin
    >>>> settings from 5em to 1em greatly improved things.
    >>>> 
    >>>> One remaining and extremely frustrating issue I have is
    >>>> that on some pages, regardless of style sheet settings,
    >>>> w3 renders the page with white background and white
    >>>> foreground/text or white background and light grey
    >>>> text. As someone who actualy finds looking at a screen
    >>>> with a white background physically painful, this is
    >>>> somewhat frustrating. I did look at this a while back as
    >>>> it was the main reason I stopped ujsing w3 and from
    >>>> memory, it is due to a bad interaction with pages that
    >>>> have either forced a background colour and don't set any
    >>>> text/foreground colour and/or conflicts between css
    >>>> settings and 'hard coded' page settings. Maybe it is
    >>>> time to look at it again.
    >>>> 
    >>>> I also suspect I have to do some MIME tweaking. When
    >>>> using the epub feature, it works with some epub titles,
    >>>> but fails with others. In particular, seems to fail with
    >>>> titles generated primarily for the kindle. With these
    >>>> titles, instead of opening the content, it asks me where
    >>>> to same the MIME object. Need to investigate further.
    >>>> 
    >>>> Tim
    >>>> 
    >>>> 
    >>>> On 8 May 2012 14:09, T. V. Raman <tv.raman.tv@gmail.com>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>> this error has been around for a long time and
    >>>>> shouldn't affect anything.
    >>>>> 
    >>>>>>>>>> "Bart" == Bart Bunting <bart@ursys.com.au> writes:
    Bart> Raman, et al, Whilst we are discussing w3 I am seeing
    Bart> issues when doing a make on the w3 source. It appears
    Bart> to be related to emacspeak libraries not being found.
    Bart> 
    Bart> Having said that w3 itself appears to work even with
    Bart> the error.
    Bart> 
    Bart> Is this normal?
    Bart> 
    Bart> I see this both under linux and on my mac.
    Bart> 
    Bart> Here is the make error:
    Bart> 
    Bart> bart@bit:~/.emacs.d/src/w3$make cd lisp && make w3
    Bart> GNUSDIR=/usr/local/emacs/24.96/share/emacs/24.0.96/lisp/gnus/
    Bart> URLDIR=/usr/local/emacs/24.96/share/emacs/24.0.96/lisp/url/
    Bart> W3SRCDIR=. emacs -batch -q -no-site-file -l ./docomp.el
    Bart> -l
    Bart> /usr/local/emacs/24.96/share/emacs/24.0.96/lisp/url//url-vars.el
    Bart> -l ./w3-vars.el -f batch-byte-compile w3-display.el
    Bart> uncompressing url-vars.el.gz... uncompressing
    Bart> url-vars.el.gz...done Wrote w3-display.elc
    Bart> GNUSDIR=/usr/local/emacs/24.96/share/emacs/24.0.96/lisp/gnus/
    Bart> URLDIR=/usr/local/emacs/24.96/share/emacs/24.0.96/lisp/url/
    Bart> W3SRCDIR=. emacs -batch -q -no-site-file -l ./docomp.el
    Bart> -l
    Bart> /usr/local/emacs/24.96/share/emacs/24.0.96/lisp/url//url-vars.el
    Bart> -l ./w3-vars.el -f batch-byte-compile w3-speak.el
    Bart> uncompressing url-vars.el.gz... uncompressing
    Bart> url-vars.el.gz...done
    Bart> 
    Bart> In toplevel form: w3-speak.el:49:1:Error: Cannot open
    Bart> load file: emacspeak-fix-interactive make[1]: ***
    Bart> [w3-speak.elc] Error 1 make: *** [w3] Error 2
    Bart> 
    Bart> 
    Bart> Cheers
    Bart> 
    Bart> Bart
    Bart> 
    Bart> "T.V. Raman" <tv.raman.tv@gmail.com> writes:
    Bart> 
    >>>>> >> Tim, Per your suggestion, I have checked in >>
    >>>>> emacspeak/tvr/tvr-w3.patch --- the patch was created
    >>>>> from >> my local snapshot with git diff origin/master
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> after making sure that git pull -a claimed my local
    >>>>> >> snapshot was uptodate.
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> Glancing at the patch -- I dont see anything
    >>>>> significant >> that should make w3 work here and not
    >>>>> from the git repo.
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> The git repo I am refering to is: git config >>
    >>>>> remote.origin.url git://git.sv.gnu.org/w3.git
    >>>>> >> --
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> --
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >>
    >>>>> >> On 5/7/12, Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>>> >>> Hi Raman,
    >>>>> >>>
    >>>>> >>> I've been attempting to get w3 working and while
    >>>>> I've >>> finally got it going, it was not trivial.
    >>>>> >>>
    >>>>> >>> I think part of the problem is that there has been
    >>>>> no >>> updates to the w3 repository since May 2008. I
    >>>>> know there >>> has been a couple of patches from you
    >>>>> and others to fix >>> various bugs, but hunting them
    >>>>> down and applying them is >>> not easy. On this basis,
    >>>>> I wanted to make a suggestion.
    >>>>> >>>
    >>>>> >>> Would it be possible for you to do a diff against
    >>>>> the >>> current w3 repository code and the version of
    >>>>> w3 you are >>> running and put the diffs in a
    >>>>> w3-patches directory >>> within the emacspeak
    >>>>> distribution. This would make it >>> esier to anyone
    >>>>> wanting to run w3 to apply the same >>> patches you
    >>>>> have been using. In addition to making it >>> easier
    >>>>> for users, it may help in tracking down problems >>> as
    >>>>> we will have a common base everyone is working from.
    >>>>> >>>
    >>>>> >>> regards,
    >>>>> >>>
    >>>>> >>> Tim
    >>>>> >>>
    >>>>> >>>
    >>>>> >>> --
    >>>>> >>> Tim Cross
    >>>>> >>>
    >>>>> >>>
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    >>>>> Best Regards, --raman
    >>>> 
    >>>> 
    >>>> 
    >>>> --
    >>>> Tim Cross
    >>>> 
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-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

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