Re: emacspeak and w3

[David Tseng <davidtseng@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

The global ELPA archive has w3:

  w3                4.0.46    installed  A web browser written
entirely in Emacs lisp...

tromey.com/elpa was where I obtained elpa.el (only running emacs 23).

- David

On 5/8/12, T. V. Raman <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Which elpa archive did you find w3 on -- Iwasn't aware of anyone
> having packaged it.
>
>>>>>> "David" == David Tseng <davidtseng@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>     David> W3 is now available via ELPA. W3m is not. wrote:
>     David>
>     >> Good point re elpa -- that is how I now install most
>     >> packages. However I dont believe w3 or w3m are available
>     >> via the default GNU packages archive -- nor have I found
>     >> them on the additional marmalade package archive.
>     >> --
>     >>
>     >> --
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On 5/8/12, David Tseng <davidtseng@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>     >>> Incidentally, after building w3 and w3m from source in
>     >>> the past, I now take the easy way out by using ELPA. It's
>     >>> worth a look for discovering and quickly trying out
>     >>> packages you may not have previously stumbled upon.
>     >>>
>     >>> On 5/7/12, Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>     >>>> The quick and dirty 'fix' I applied for this werror is
>     >>>> to comment out the two lines from w3-speak.el which
>     >>>> require emacspeak-fix-interactive at cimpile time. This
>     >>>> stops the make process from exiting early and ensures
>     >>>> the rest of the *.el files are compiled. It does not
>     >>>> appear to have any dramatic impact.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Raman, I looked at your patch from your w3 and I think
>     >>>> your right. It looks like all you changes do is remove
>     >>>> some of the excessive 'padding' w3 was doing when
>     >>>> rendering things like lists and blockquote. On my
>     >>>> system, the unmodified version would put boxquote
>     >>>> elements and lists right over on the right hand side -
>     >>>> so much so that blockquotes would end up being rendered
>     >>>> as only one or two words per line. I found that
>     >>>> modifying the default.css file to change all margin
>     >>>> settings from 5em to 1em greatly improved things.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> One remaining and extremely frustrating issue I have is
>     >>>> that on some pages, regardless of style sheet settings,
>     >>>> w3 renders the page with white background and white
>     >>>> foreground/text or white background and light grey
>     >>>> text. As someone who actualy finds looking at a screen
>     >>>> with a white background physically painful, this is
>     >>>> somewhat frustrating. I did look at this a while back as
>     >>>> it was the main reason I stopped ujsing w3 and from
>     >>>> memory, it is due to a bad interaction with pages that
>     >>>> have either forced a background colour and don't set any
>     >>>> text/foreground colour and/or conflicts between css
>     >>>> settings and 'hard coded' page settings. Maybe it is
>     >>>> time to look at it again.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> I also suspect I have to do some MIME tweaking. When
>     >>>> using the epub feature, it works with some epub titles,
>     >>>> but fails with others. In particular, seems to fail with
>     >>>> titles generated primarily for the kindle. With these
>     >>>> titles, instead of opening the content, it asks me where
>     >>>> to same the MIME object. Need to investigate further.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Tim
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> On 8 May 2012 14:09, T. V. Raman <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>     >>>> wrote:
>     >>>>> this error has been around for a long time and
>     >>>>> shouldn't affect anything.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>>>>>> "Bart" == Bart Bunting <bart@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>     Bart> Raman, et al, Whilst we are discussing w3 I am seeing
>     Bart> issues when doing a make on the w3 source. It appears
>     Bart> to be related to emacspeak libraries not being found.
>     Bart>
>     Bart> Having said that w3 itself appears to work even with
>     Bart> the error.
>     Bart>
>     Bart> Is this normal?
>     Bart>
>     Bart> I see this both under linux and on my mac.
>     Bart>
>     Bart> Here is the make error:
>     Bart>
>     Bart> bart@xxxxxxxxxxx:~/.emacs.d/src/w3$make cd lisp && make w3
>     Bart> GNUSDIR=/usr/local/emacs/24.96/share/emacs/24.0.96/lisp/gnus/
>     Bart> URLDIR=/usr/local/emacs/24.96/share/emacs/24.0.96/lisp/url/
>     Bart> W3SRCDIR=. emacs -batch -q -no-site-file -l ./docomp.el
>     Bart> -l
>     Bart> /usr/local/emacs/24.96/share/emacs/24.0.96/lisp/url//url-vars.el
>     Bart> -l ./w3-vars.el -f batch-byte-compile w3-display.el
>     Bart> uncompressing url-vars.el.gz... uncompressing
>     Bart> url-vars.el.gz...done Wrote w3-display.elc
>     Bart> GNUSDIR=/usr/local/emacs/24.96/share/emacs/24.0.96/lisp/gnus/
>     Bart> URLDIR=/usr/local/emacs/24.96/share/emacs/24.0.96/lisp/url/
>     Bart> W3SRCDIR=. emacs -batch -q -no-site-file -l ./docomp.el
>     Bart> -l
>     Bart> /usr/local/emacs/24.96/share/emacs/24.0.96/lisp/url//url-vars.el
>     Bart> -l ./w3-vars.el -f batch-byte-compile w3-speak.el
>     Bart> uncompressing url-vars.el.gz... uncompressing
>     Bart> url-vars.el.gz...done
>     Bart>
>     Bart> In toplevel form: w3-speak.el:49:1:Error: Cannot open
>     Bart> load file: emacspeak-fix-interactive make[1]: ***
>     Bart> [w3-speak.elc] Error 1 make: *** [w3] Error 2
>     Bart>
>     Bart>
>     Bart> Cheers
>     Bart>
>     Bart> Bart
>     Bart>
>     Bart> "T.V. Raman" <tv.raman.tv@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>     Bart>
>     >>>>> >> Tim, Per your suggestion, I have checked in >>
>     >>>>> emacspeak/tvr/tvr-w3.patch --- the patch was created
>     >>>>> from >> my local snapshot with git diff origin/master
>     >>>>> >>
>     >>>>> >> after making sure that git pull -a claimed my local
>     >>>>> >> snapshot was uptodate.
>     >>>>> >>
>     >>>>> >> Glancing at the patch -- I dont see anything
>     >>>>> significant >> that should make w3 work here and not
>     >>>>> from the git repo.
>     >>>>> >>
>     >>>>> >> The git repo I am refering to is: git config >>
>     >>>>> remote.origin.url git://git.sv.gnu.org/w3.git
>     >>>>> >> --
>     >>>>> >>
>     >>>>> >> --
>     >>>>> >>
>     >>>>> >>
>     >>>>> >> On 5/7/12, Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>     >>>>> >>> Hi Raman,
>     >>>>> >>>
>     >>>>> >>> I've been attempting to get w3 working and while
>     >>>>> I've >>> finally got it going, it was not trivial.
>     >>>>> >>>
>     >>>>> >>> I think part of the problem is that there has been
>     >>>>> no >>> updates to the w3 repository since May 2008. I
>     >>>>> know there >>> has been a couple of patches from you
>     >>>>> and others to fix >>> various bugs, but hunting them
>     >>>>> down and applying them is >>> not easy. On this basis,
>     >>>>> I wanted to make a suggestion.
>     >>>>> >>>
>     >>>>> >>> Would it be possible for you to do a diff against
>     >>>>> the >>> current w3 repository code and the version of
>     >>>>> w3 you are >>> running and put the diffs in a
>     >>>>> w3-patches directory >>> within the emacspeak
>     >>>>> distribution. This would make it >>> esier to anyone
>     >>>>> wanting to run w3 to apply the same >>> patches you
>     >>>>> have been using. In addition to making it >>> easier
>     >>>>> for users, it may help in tracking down problems >>> as
>     >>>>> we will have a common base everyone is working from.
>     >>>>> >>>
>     >>>>> >>> regards,
>     >>>>> >>>
>     >>>>> >>> Tim
>     >>>>> >>>
>     >>>>> >>>
>     >>>>> >>> --
>     >>>>> >>> Tim Cross
>     >>>>> >>>
>     >>>>> >>>
>     >>>>>
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>     >>>>> Best Regards, --raman
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> --
>     >>>> Tim Cross
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
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>
> --
> Best Regards,
> --raman
>

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