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Re: emacspeak and w3



nds good.

My own choice for general purpose browsing is Chrome with
chromevox loaded -- give that a shot.

You'll need to:

1. Install ChromeVox and the Lois voice from the Chrome Web
Store;
2. Ensure that your Chrome has nacl support.

Eventually I'd like to use Chrome's remote debugging API  to
connect emacs to Chrome --- and do the following:

Use ChromeVox to work with the general purpose Web.

2. Use the remote port connection between Emacs and Chrome to get
Web content into Emacs so you can further manipulate it as
desired. All of this is a fair bit of work.

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> writes:
    Tim> I could be way off the mark, but my thoughts were that
    Tim> the w3 rendering code could be a worthwhile reference
    Tim> wrt rendering, but most of it would need to be
    Tim> updated/modified - same with the css module. I would
    Tim> like to see something with very separate and independent
    Tim> modules that each have a well defined interface that are
    Tim> all hooked up together to provide a usable browser AND
    Tim> provide a useful set of utilities that could be used for
    Tim> other processin and provide an interesting tool set for
    Tim> experimentation and personal customization.
    Tim> 
    Tim> It is probably this last part, experimentation and
    Tim> customization for specific tasks I find most appealing
    Tim> about w3. For general browsing, I am finding it
    Tim> increasingly necessary to use something like firefox or
    Tim> chromium. However, as the epub stuff you did shows,
    Tim> there is still a lot of potential for a reliable text
    Tim> browser with a very close integration with emacs that
    Tim> will allow us to manipulate components with custom
    Tim> elisp.
    Tim> 
    Tim> Tim
    Tim> 
    Tim> On 11 May 2012 13:23, T. V. Raman
    Tim> <tv.raman.tv@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> shr doesn't use any of the W3 rendering code.
    >> 
    >> Unfortunately the parse structure that the W3 parser
    >> builds is not exactly the same shape as that returned by
    >> libxml -- so you'd have to do a bit of work before the W3
    >> renderer can eat the libxml parse tree. But it shouldn't
    >> be a huge amount of work.
    >> 
    >>>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> writes:
    >>    Tim> Now that is very interesting. Will certainly be
    >> checking    Tim> out shr - this is exactly along the same
    >> lines as I was    Tim> thinking wrt moving w3 forward and
    >> helping to ensure it    Tim> doesn't end up dying of bit
    >> rot.    Tim>    Tim> Since emacs added the interface to
    >> libxml, I've been    Tim> wondering about how much work
    >> this would take, so I'm    Tim> quite excited to find that
    >> thiswork has already started.    Tim>    Tim> Tim    Tim>
    >> Tim> On 11 May 2012 03:47, T.V. Raman
    >> <tv.raman.tv@gmail.com>    Tim> wrote:    >> From an
    >> Emacspeak perspective, W3 will always trump W3M    >>  in
    >> terms of features --- w3m in emacs is nice, but the    >>
    >> integration leaves a lot to be desired -- in that emacs/w3
    >> >> only gets its hands on the content after w3m itself has
    >> >> done the bulk of the rendering.    >>    >> In the best
    >> of all worlds, the parsing and dom    >> construction
    >> would happen in the native layer --- and the    >>
    >> rendering happen in the lisp layer.  Module shr is a    >>
    >> beginning to that end --- in that it uses libxml to do the
    >> >> parsing --    >>    >> On 5/9/12, Robert D. Crawford
    >> <robdcraw@gmail.com> wrote:    >>> "Tim Cross"
    >> <tcross@une.edu.au> writes:    >>>    >>>> The really nice
    >> thing is that since machines have gotten    >>>> so much
    >> faster in the past few years, the slower    >>>> rendering
    >> time of w3 compared to w3m is pretty much    >>>>
    >> unnoticeable except on really large html files.    >>>  
    >> >>> I've not used w3m in such a long time.  I've preferred
    >> w3    >>> since I first used it.  Glad to hear I'm not
    >> really    >>> missing out on speed.    >>>    >>>> thanks
    >> again, you have made my day!    >>>    >>> You are quite
    >> welcome.  Glad to have been of assistance.    >>>    >>>
    >> rdc    >>> --    >>> Robert D. Crawford    >>>
    >> robdcraw@gmail.com    >>>    >>>
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    >> Tim> -- Tim Cross
    >> 
    >> --
    >> Best Regards, --raman
    >> 
    >> --
    >> Best Regards, --raman
    Tim> 
    Tim> 
    Tim> 
    Tim> -- Tim Cross

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Best Regards,
--raman

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