responses in-lined: >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes: Tim> I installed lois and chromevox from the chrome Tim> store. Running version Chromium 18.0.1025.168 from Tim> ubuntu 12.04, but no luck getting it working yet. Not Tim> sue how to verify nacl support - looks like it was added Tim> in v14 and it is listed/mentioned in the copyright file See Jason's note. Not all debian/ubuntu builds include nacl. Get package google-chrome -- rather than chromium. Tim> of this version, but no luck yet. Tim> Tim> On another note, seem to have run itno a bug with emacs Tim> 24 url, so now I cannot follow links in w3. Seems to be this is transient. A couple of weeks ago, they broke all google search result links -- see the advice in emacspeak-w3.el that "canonicalizes google result urls when passed to the url library. I filed a bug and I suspect they broke something else in fixing that. Make sure you're running emacspeak from svn and that you have the latest snapshot as well. Tim> losing the 'host' value somewhere, so throws a stingp Tim> nil error. Was working with a version of emacs from Tim> earlier in the week, so probably just a temporary hitch. Tim> Tim> Was working through your mm-customize.el file and Tim> noticed something which I found a bit confusing. In it, Tim> you have some tests under the mm--inline-media-tests that is old cruft, and the or is a no-op -- consequence of cut Tim> and paste. Tim> setting of the form Tim> Tim> (lambda (&rest ignore) (or mm-text-html-renderer Tim> mm-text-html-renderer)) Tim> Tim> I don't understand the or statement. It has the same Tim> varible for both paths - seems like a weird thing to do, Tim> unless there is something I'm missing? I would have Tim> thought just returning the var would achieve the same Tim> result? Just curious really as I always like to try and Tim> understand bits of elisp I come across. Tim> Tim> Tim> Tim Tim> Tim> Tim> On 12 May 2012 13:05, T. V. Raman Tim> <email@example.com> wrote: >> nds good. >> >> My own choice for general purpose browsing is Chrome with >> chromevox loaded -- give that a shot. >> >> You'll need to: >> >> 1. Install ChromeVox and the Lois voice from the Chrome >> Web Store; 2. Ensure that your Chrome has nacl support. >> >> Eventually I'd like to use Chrome's remote debugging API >> to connect emacs to Chrome --- and do the following: >> >> Use ChromeVox to work with the general purpose Web. >> >> 2. Use the remote port connection between Emacs and Chrome >> to get Web content into Emacs so you can further >> manipulate it as desired. All of this is a fair bit of >> work. >> >>>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes: >> Tim> I could be way off the mark, but my thoughts were >> that Tim> the w3 rendering code could be a worthwhile >> reference Tim> wrt rendering, but most of it would need >> to be Tim> updated/modified - same with the css >> module. I would Tim> like to see something with very >> separate and independent Tim> modules that each have a >> well defined interface that are Tim> all hooked up >> together to provide a usable browser AND Tim> provide a >> useful set of utilities that could be used for Tim> >> other processin and provide an interesting tool set for >> Tim> experimentation and personal customization. Tim> >> Tim> It is probably this last part, experimentation and >> Tim> customization for specific tasks I find most >> appealing Tim> about w3. For general browsing, I am >> finding it Tim> increasingly necessary to use something >> like firefox or Tim> chromium. However, as the epub >> stuff you did shows, Tim> there is still a lot of >> potential for a reliable text Tim> browser with a very >> close integration with emacs that Tim> will allow us to >> manipulate components with custom Tim> elisp. Tim> >> Tim> Tim Tim> Tim> On 11 May 2012 13:23, >> T. V. Raman Tim> <email@example.com> wrote: >> >> shr doesn't use any of the W3 rendering code. >> >> >> Unfortunately the parse structure that the W3 parser >> >> builds is not exactly the same shape as that returned by >> >> libxml -- so you'd have to do a bit of work before the >> W3 >> renderer can eat the libxml parse tree. But it >> shouldn't >> be a huge amount of work. >> >>>>>>> >> "Tim" == Tim Cross <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes: >> >> Tim> Now that is very interesting. Will certainly be >> >> checking Tim> out shr - this is exactly along the >> same >> lines as I was Tim> thinking wrt moving w3 >> forward and >> helping to ensure it Tim> doesn't end >> up dying of bit >> rot. Tim> Tim> Since emacs >> added the interface to >> libxml, I've been Tim> >> wondering about how much work >> this would take, so >> I'm Tim> quite excited to find that >> thiswork has >> already started. Tim> Tim> Tim Tim> >> Tim> On >> 11 May 2012 03:47, T.V. Raman >> >> <email@example.com> Tim> wrote: >> From an >> >> Emacspeak perspective, W3 will always trump W3M >> in >> >> terms of features --- w3m in emacs is nice, but the >> >> >> integration leaves a lot to be desired -- in >> that emacs/w3 >> >> only gets its hands on the content >> after w3m itself has >> >> done the bulk of the >> rendering. >> >> In the best >> of all worlds, >> the parsing and dom >> construction >> would happen >> in the native layer --- and the >> >> rendering >> happen in the lisp layer. Module shr is a >> >> >> beginning to that end --- in that it uses libxml to do the >> >> >> parsing -- >> >> On 5/9/12, Robert >> D. Crawford >> <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: >>> "Tim >> Cross" >> <email@example.com> writes: >>> >>>> >> The really nice >> thing is that since machines have >> gotten >>>> so much >> faster in the past few years, >> the slower >>>> rendering >> time of w3 compared to >> w3m is pretty much >>>> >> unnoticeable except on >> really large html files. >>> >> >>> I've not used >> w3m in such a long time. I've preferred >> w3 >>> >> since I first used it. Glad to hear I'm not >> really >> >>> missing out on speed. >>> >>>> thanks >> >> again, you have made my day! >>> >>> You are quite >> >> welcome. Glad to have been of assistance. >>> >> >>> >> rdc >>> -- >>> Robert D. 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