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Re: different test results



Sorry, that won't fly here. I want spoken prompts at the login screens for each virtual console. I only run X when I start up gnome with the startx command from a native console.

I do not boot my system into GNOME directly. I use the console environment for most of my activity and run GNOME when I need services from there like Firefox, etc. I suppose one could run speakup this way if they booted into X directly.

I think the problem we have here is when espeakup and speakup are running system wide from the console environment, Pulseaudio squashes things when it starts up when you run GNOME and pulse is started up for that user session. for speech dispatcher. I think this is why all the contention about pulse and conflicts that so often arise.


On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I use Speakup with PulseAudio all of the time. I'm using it on vinux 4, but I know there's a work around to use this combination on other distros. For example, here's a post to a
Linux accessibility list:

It isn't necessary to use systemwide Pulse audio anymore.  I use console speech on my Ubuntu box at home which has Pulse Audio  installed and configured in the recommended way (not systemwide) and I am able to use Speakup just fine.  The trick is to start it from a Gnome Terminal within X:

sudo modprobe speakupg_soft start=1
sudo espeakup

Just my thoughts,
Alex M

On 11/16/2015 04:58 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
Well, for me, I use speakup almost all the time on my Linux box. I am
not willing to give that up so that pulse audio can be used. I probably
use speakup over 80 percent of the time I run Linux.


On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:


    I’ve never used speakup. I do use speech dispatcher and it works
    fine with pulseaudio.

    regards,

    Tim

    —
    Tim Cross



    On 17 Nov 2015, at 9:13 AM, Steve Holmes <steve@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    I think some of the problems with PulseAudio stem from when we try
    and use Speakup with espeakup. speakup and espeakup run as a
    central service (I should say espeakup is a central service) where
    PulseAudio runs as individual user sessions. I want to be able to
    use speakup at all login prompts and I don't believe this is
    possible with pulse. Now if I'm wrong about some of this, I would
    be glad to hear some corective measures. Last thing I want is the
    inability to use speakup. So I for one has resisted the use of
    pulse for years. At present, I have to keep pulseaudio binary
    marked as non-executable so as not to cause the emacspeak espeak
    module from going silent.

    If pulseaudio would indeed work while I use speakup, then I could
    have speech dispatcher run with pulse and hopefully then I could
    take advantage of full sound support in gnome. So I would be
    interested if pulse could really be all that trusted.


    On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

        If your using espeak witch has been compiled to use portAudio
        rather than native pulseaudio, you will get much better
        performance/reliability if you re-compile it to use
        pulseaudio. This involves changing one define in the source
        and then recompiling. Much much simpler than trying to remove
        pulseaudio. Not sure why distros still ship espeak with
        portaudio rather than pulseaudio as the default. Use to make
        sense when pulseaudio was still a little immature, but these
        days, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

        On 17 November 2015 at 01:37, Jude DaShiell
        <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

            espeak compiled to use portaudio which is distributed in
            the talkingarch distribution.

            On Mon, 16 Nov 2015, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

                Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 07:31:39
                From: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain@xxxxxxxxxxx
                <mailto:chaltain@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
                To: emacspeak <emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxx
                <mailto:emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
                Subject: Re: different test results
                Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 07:31:41 -0500 (EST)
                Resent-From: emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxx
                <mailto:emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxx>


                What synthesizer are you talking about and what
                distribution? I've never noticed an issue with
                Emacspeak and PulseAudio except when using eSpeak
                compiled to use PortAudio. Once I recompile eSpeak to
                use the runtime or PulseAudio options, everything is fine.

                On 11/16/2015 05:53 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

                    emacspeak post-install slows speech rate when
                    running, so I'm not
                    certain pulseaudio is playing all that well with
                    emacspeak.

                    On Mon, 16 Nov 2015, Tim Cross wrote:

                        Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 16:17:55
                        From: Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
                        To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
                        Cc: emacspeak <emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxx>>

                        Subject: Re: different test results

                        My question would be why get rid of pulseaudio?

                        Early versions of pulseaudio had performance
                        issues, but that was a long
                        tiime ago. I've been using pulseaudio on
                        multiple systems with both
                        Outloud
                        viavoice and espeak without a problem (though
                        last time I used espeak, I
                        did re-build it and ensure the native
                        pulseaudio support was enabled. Not
                        sure if that is still necessary).  On some
                        systems, such as those where I
                        use Outloud ViaVoice, I have to install 32 bit
                        as well as 64 bit libs and
                        it all works flawlessly.

                        Pulseaudio is now the default sound layer on
                        Linux systems and it
                        would be
                        better to embrace it rather than fight against
                        it. It means you no longer
                        need to have custom asoundrc files, have an
                        easy way to set different
                        volume and other characteristics for different
                        sound sources etc.

                        I have tried the remoal of pulseaudio and it
                        can be one, but it is a
                        lot of
                        effort and will 'sneak' back when you decide
                        to install a new program
                        which
                        has any sound support because pulseaudio is
                        often the default config.

                        If you have pulseaudio issues, I would
                        strongly recommend tracking those
                        down and fixing them rather than attempting to
                        remove pulse. While I did
                        need to do some tweaking with older verisons,
                        I've found all the distros
                        I've tried have resolved those issues now and
                        have not needed to do any
                        tweaking of the pulse setup for at least 2+ years.

                        On 15 November 2015 at 23:07, Jude DaShiell
                        <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                            To do this right, I need to learn how to
                            do three things.
                            1) remove pulseaudio from an existing
                            archlinux system,
                            2) prevent pulseaudio from installing on
                            pre-existing archlinux
                            system in
                            future,
                            3) find out how to install an archlinux
                            system without pulseaudio and
                            keep
                            it off newly installed systems.
                            Any help along these lines will be
                            greatfully received.

                            On Fri, 13 Nov 2015, Jude DaShiell wrote:

                            Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:23:35

                                From: Jude DaShiell
                                <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxx
                                <mailto:jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
                                To: Tim Cross <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx
                                <mailto:theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
                                Cc: emacspeak <emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxx
                                <mailto:emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
                                Subject: Re: different test results
                                Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:23:36
                                -0500 (EST)
                                Resent-From: emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxx
                                <mailto:emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxx>


                                The basic sound output is alsa since
                                pulseaudio doesn't make any sound
                                but does manage alsa.

                                On Mon, 9 Nov 2015, Tim Cross wrote:

                                Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 15:36:38

                                    From: Tim Cross
                                    <theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx
                                    <mailto:theophilusx@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
                                    To: Jude DaShiell
                                    <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxx
                                    <mailto:jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
                                    Cc: emacspeak
                                    <emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxx
                                    <mailto:emacspeak@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
                                    Subject: Re: different test results

                                    Are you using alsa or pulseaudio
                                    as your basic sound output?

                                    I would be surprised if SOX is
                                    causing problems. One of the options
                                    for
                                    playing auditory icons now uses
                                    SOX. I've used this as my default for
                                    auditory icons on both Linux and
                                    OSX for the past few months and it
                                    works
                                    really well. I am using viavoice
                                    outloud on linux rather than espeak
                                    though.

                                    It isn't clear (to me) from your
                                    email exactly what you expected from
                                    your
                                    tests and what is not working
                                    correctly.

                                    On 8 November 2015 at 20:54, Jude
                                    DaShiell <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxx
                                    <mailto:jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                                    Before doing the next test, I
                                    removed the sox package from the
                                    system

                                        then
                                        rebooted.
                                        This time tclsh enter just
                                        said espeak next q "this is a
                                        test."
                                        enter d
                                        enter said this is a test.  I
                                        couldn't find any percent
                                        signs on the
                                        screen
                                        even after hitting the enter
                                        key a couple times so I typed
                                        exit enter
                                        and
                                        exited back to the servers
                                        directory.  With emacspeak
                                        starting up on
                                        emacs,
                                        speech is at normal speed not
                                        slower.  That sox package and
                                        emacspeak
                                        may
                                        not play nicely together.
                                        I put it on the machine to
                                        enable recording from
                                        microphone into
                                        files
                                        on
                                        the computer originally.




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