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Re: Emacspeak installation information



Neither version of emacspeak ends in a successful build on current 
version of archlinux for amd64 architecture.  Archlinux has 
emacs-emacspeak and emacs-emacspeak-svn in the aur repository and I used 
yaourt -S emacs-emacspeak and later yaourt -S emacs-emacspeak-svn and 
found this out a few days ago.  Emacs is also as current as archlinux 
can make it.
I can get typescript files for both failed builds and post them if 
anyone would be interested in examining them here.

On Mon, 15 Sep 2014, Alex Midence wrote:

> Ubuntu has a deb package fo r emacspeak 38. Also one for speech. It is already two versions behind. Also, speech server package runs into trouble because DECtalk express is still default speech engine. They don't even make it anymore. Do not know why. It is still the default. E-speak makes more sense because it is everywhere now
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 15, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Florian Beijers <florianbeijers@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I think it is a matter of inclination more than a matter of expertise.
> > A lot of these steps, when I look at them as you have listed them
> > here, can be automated perfectly easily. Trouble is mainly caused by
> > the distro-specific espeak packages and tcl. I am not an expert at
> > this but from my point of view it doesn't look too difficult to make
> > distro-specific packages (.deb, .rpm) for this and write an install
> > script that automates pretty much the whole deal. I would do it, but I
> > am currently swamped with other stuff and just don't have the time and
> > resources to learn and research Bash scripting and distro package
> > maintenance ...
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Florian
> > 
> > 2014-09-16 0:16 GMT+02:00, Alex Midence <alex.midence@gmail.com>:
> >> Yes, it's a royal pain to get working.  Basically, here's what you have to
> >> do:
> >> 
> >> 1.  Get the source via svn:
> >> $ svn co http://emacspeak.googlecode.com/svn/trunk emacspeak
> >> 2.  Get the espeak development library packages.  (This is distro-specific
> >> so, do some digging)
> >> 3.  Get tcl8.4.
> >> 4. cd into the emacspeak directory and as root type make config
> >> 5.  Type make emacspeak as root.
> >> 6.  cd into the servers directory and find the linux-espeak directory and cd
> >> into it.
> >> 7.  Now, do a make; make install either as sudo or root.
> >> 8.  Issue the following environment variable command:
> >> Export DTK_PROGRAM=espeak
> >> 9.  nano /usr/bin/emacspeak
> >> 10.  Arrow down to bottom of the file and get that -q out of there. Arrow up
> >> to the line referring to emacs in unary mode and put a hash in front of it
> >> to coment out.  Ctrl x and save.
> >> 
> >> After all that, type emacspeak at a command line prompt and all should be
> >> well.  Those of you shouting and hollering that it shouldn't be this hard
> >> are right but, trouble is, no one seems to either have the expertise or
> >> inclination to make it easier.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: kendell clark [mailto:coffeekingms@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 5:03 PM
> >> To: Florian Beijers; emacspeak list
> >> Subject: Re: Emacspeak installation information
> >> 
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> hi
> >> Here, here. I run into this issue constantly. I've actually gotten emacspeak
> >> working, kind of, on arch. The pckage build is unmaintained, and I have to
> >> modify the build script just to get it to build. Then tclx builds empty
> >> binaries, and I have to try to remember what I did to get it working. Then I
> >> can't get daisy mode to work ... and the cycle repeats. Once I actually get
> >> into emacspeak and get the stuff working, it's phenomenal. The eloquence
> >> support is much g better than espeak, but I guess that'll get fixed
> >> eventually. Emacspeak is a fantastic concept ... If it just worked instead
> >> of returning with process speaker not working, that's because of tclx
> >> screwing up, by the way. We need good docs, and we need maintainers of the
> >> various distro's emacspeak packages.
> >> Thanks
> >> Kendell clark
> >> 
> >>> On 09/15/2014 04:48 PM, Florian Beijers wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> I just finished reading through the Emacspeak at 20 article and
> >>> entered what I have dubbed my "Emacspeak loop"  again. This basically
> >>> consists of me wanting to try Emacspeak, building a vm of the latest
> >>> blind-friendly Linux distro out there to save time, downloading the
> >>> latest emacspeak, trying to set it up, failing, getting frustrated and
> >>> giving up. It has become a trend for me to wonder what strange,
> >>> unclear error will jump out at me next when I try to configure and
> >>> build Emacspeak. The installation howto that is available appears to
> >>> last have been updated about 12 years ago and scraping together bits
> >>> and pieces from this list , as well as other blogs, sometimes help me
> >>> enough to actually get a semi-stable instance of Emacspeak going if
> >>> I'm lucky. Now don't get me wrong, I really like the concept Emacspeak
> >>> is trying to portray. I am a computer science student myself and aim
> >>> for this to be my chosen career path. I'd like Emacspeak to be a part
> >>> of that, but if I keep having to work a day or more to make the system
> >>> boot up, let alone run smoothly, I am wondering where things are going
> >>> wrong.
> >>> Shouldn't we take a bit of time to make this part of the emacspeak
> >>> experience a little more user-friendly? Think of writing up accurate
> >>> and contemporary installation docs? Perhaps change the installation
> >>> script so it actually looks for what speech system is currently being
> >>> used rather than making the user manually configure this, just to name
> >>> an example? I like the configurability Emacspeak provides. It gives
> >>> you the opportunity to change everything to your liking, but again,
> >>> this is no use to anybody if they can't get the system to work. I've
> >>> recommended Emacspeak to others in the past and more often than notwas
> >>> met with a reply sounding something like "Hmm ...yeah I've heard of it
> >>> and played around with it, but I never really got it to work ..." . I
> >>> think this is a shame. The more users Emacspeak has the better it can
> >>> become. Configurability is good, but sometimes it's also nice to have
> >>> a way to quickly get things to work. I just thought of something while
> >>> writing this long email, could vagrant not offer a solution here?
> >>> Offer pre-made linux VM's where Emacspeak is already configured? I'm
> >>> just throwing ideas out there, because I really think this needs to be
> >>> improved.
> >>> 
> >>> Regards, Florian
> >>> 
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