Re: Emacspeak installation information

[Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I can speak to the bookshare issue you are having.  I do not use Emacs 
for that sort of thing.  To me, it is an editor and I use other stuff 
for things like daisy.  My iPhone does a truly fantabulous job with that 
using the Voice Stream app.  As for e-speak support, the solution would 
probably go along these lines:

1.  Emacspeakś makefile to be modified to compile and configure e-speak 
as default server.
2.  Espeak voice file to be modified to fix current voice lock issue.  
Variants appear to be misnamed.  That, or the command to call them is 
miswritten.  It has something along the lines of an xml tag with 
attributes for gender and number but none for variant name.  This is 
different from invoking e-speak from the command line with other variants.

espeak --v male1 ext'

This produces text using the male1 variant.

espeak --v female2 ext


And on, and on, and on.  I would be willing to make the necessary 
modification to the espeak.el file but I can make head or tail of the 
xml code embedded in elisp to know quite where to modify things.

Thanks.
Alex




On 09/15/2014 05:38 PM, kendell clark wrote:
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> I'd agree with this. The espeak supports needs improvement, as well as
> emacspeak-bookshare, unless i'm missing some configuration step. I
> keep running into an error of, bookshare password for nil. I enter the
> password, and a few seconds later, "Does not look like a bookshare
> response" I think either bookshare support is broken, or maybe the
> bookshare API has changed, not sure.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
>
> On 09/15/2014 05:31 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> > Ubuntu has a deb package fo r emacspeak 38. Also one for speech. It
> > is already two versions behind. Also, speech server package runs
> > into trouble because DECtalk express is still default speech
> > engine. They don't even make it anymore. Do not know why. It is
> > still the default. E-speak makes more sense because it is
> > everywhere now
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Sep 15, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Florian Beijers
> > > <florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I think it is a matter of inclination more than a matter of
> > > expertise. A lot of these steps, when I look at them as you have
> > > listed them here, can be automated perfectly easily. Trouble is
> > > mainly caused by the distro-specific espeak packages and tcl. I
> > > am not an expert at this but from my point of view it doesn't
> > > look too difficult to make distro-specific packages (.deb, .rpm)
> > > for this and write an install script that automates pretty much
> > > the whole deal. I would do it, but I am currently swamped with
> > > other stuff and just don't have the time and resources to learn
> > > and research Bash scripting and distro package maintenance ...
> > >
> > > Regards, Florian
> > >
> > > 2014-09-16 0:16 GMT+02:00, Alex Midence
> > > <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > > > Yes, it's a royal pain to get working.  Basically, here's what
> > > > you have to do:
> > > >
> > > > 1.  Get the source via svn: $ svn co
> > > > http://emacspeak.googlecode.com/svn/trunk emacspeak 2.  Get the
> > > > espeak development library packages.  (This is distro-specific
> > > > so, do some digging) 3.  Get tcl8.4. 4. cd into the emacspeak
> > > > directory and as root type make config 5.  Type make emacspeak
> > > > as root. 6.  cd into the servers directory and find the
> > > > linux-espeak directory and cd into it. 7.  Now, do a make; make
> > > > install either as sudo or root. 8.  Issue the following
> > > > environment variable command: Export DTK_PROGRAM=espeak 9.
> > > > nano /usr/bin/emacspeak 10.  Arrow down to bottom of the file
> > > > and get that -q out of there. Arrow up to the line referring to
> > > > emacs in unary mode and put a hash in front of it to coment
> > > > out.  Ctrl x and save.
> > > >
> > > > After all that, type emacspeak at a command line prompt and all
> > > > should be well.  Those of you shouting and hollering that it
> > > > shouldn't be this hard are right but, trouble is, no one seems
> > > > to either have the expertise or inclination to make it easier.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message----- From: kendell clark
> > > > [mailto:coffeekingms@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, September 15,
> > > > 2014 5:03 PM To: Florian Beijers; emacspeak list Subject: Re:
> > > > Emacspeak installation information
> >
> > hi Here, here. I run into this issue constantly. I've actually
> > gotten emacspeak working, kind of, on arch. The pckage build is
> > unmaintained, and I have to modify the build script just to get it
> > to build. Then tclx builds empty binaries, and I have to try to
> > remember what I did to get it working. Then I can't get daisy mode
> > to work ... and the cycle repeats. Once I actually get into
> > emacspeak and get the stuff working, it's phenomenal. The
> > eloquence support is much g better than espeak, but I guess that'll
> > get fixed eventually. Emacspeak is a fantastic concept ... If it
> > just worked instead of returning with process speaker not working,
> > that's because of tclx screwing up, by the way. We need good docs,
> > and we need maintainers of the various distro's emacspeak
> > packages. Thanks Kendell clark
> >
> > > > > > On 09/15/2014 04:48 PM, Florian Beijers wrote: Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just finished reading through the Emacspeak at 20 article
> > > > > > and entered what I have dubbed my "Emacspeak loop"  again.
> > > > > > This basically consists of me wanting to try Emacspeak,
> > > > > > building a vm of the latest blind-friendly Linux distro out
> > > > > > there to save time, downloading the latest emacspeak,
> > > > > > trying to set it up, failing, getting frustrated and giving
> > > > > > up. It has become a trend for me to wonder what strange,
> > > > > > unclear error will jump out at me next when I try to
> > > > > > configure and build Emacspeak. The installation howto that
> > > > > > is available appears to last have been updated about 12
> > > > > > years ago and scraping together bits and pieces from this
> > > > > > list , as well as other blogs, sometimes help me enough to
> > > > > > actually get a semi-stable instance of Emacspeak going if
> > > > > > I'm lucky. Now don't get me wrong, I really like the
> > > > > > concept Emacspeak is trying to portray. I am a computer
> > > > > > science student myself and aim for this to be my chosen
> > > > > > career path. I'd like Emacspeak to be a part of that, but
> > > > > > if I keep having to work a day or more to make the system
> > > > > > boot up, let alone run smoothly, I am wondering where
> > > > > > things are going wrong. Shouldn't we take a bit of time to
> > > > > > make this part of the emacspeak experience a little more
> > > > > > user-friendly? Think of writing up accurate and
> > > > > > contemporary installation docs? Perhaps change the
> > > > > > installation script so it actually looks for what speech
> > > > > > system is currently being used rather than making the user
> > > > > > manually configure this, just to name an example? I like
> > > > > > the configurability Emacspeak provides. It gives you the
> > > > > > opportunity to change everything to your liking, but
> > > > > > again, this is no use to anybody if they can't get the
> > > > > > system to work. I've recommended Emacspeak to others in the
> > > > > > past and more often than notwas met with a reply sounding
> > > > > > something like "Hmm ...yeah I've heard of it and played
> > > > > > around with it, but I never really got it to work ..." . I
> > > > > > think this is a shame. The more users Emacspeak has the
> > > > > > better it can become. Configurability is good, but
> > > > > > sometimes it's also nice to have a way to quickly get
> > > > > > things to work. I just thought of something while writing
> > > > > > this long email, could vagrant not offer a solution here?
> > > > > > Offer pre-made linux VM's where Emacspeak is already
> > > > > > configured? I'm just throwing ideas out there, because I
> > > > > > really think this needs to be improved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Florian
> > > > > >
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