Tim, Sorry, I may have misunderstood your message. The last thing I would recommend is to run as root. I was reporting something that I thought might lead to a better understanding of the problem. I recently moved to ubuntu 12.10 and started to have these problems. I'm pretty sure I wasn't experiencing these problems with ubuntu 10.04. Unless I misunderstood, you're having to restart espeak frequently, this doesn't seem to be a very stable situation. Can you explain why we're seeing emacspeak and espeak crashing after a couple of key strokes under a normal user and not seeing any kind of crashing under root? I'm running ubuntu 12.10. emacspeak 37.0 emacs 24.1. I open a new terminal login with control alt f[1-6], then invoke emacspeak. Actually, it's coming back to me now. I used to disable gnome by changing the run level for the login to 3 or something other than the level that brings up the guy. emacspeak and speak was rock solid after that. I think gnome is messing things up. I used to be able to do this in /etc/inittab, but that doesn't seem to be there anymore. Thanks, John On May 10, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Tim Cross <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Turn it around the other way - what do you do which you cannot do as a > normal user. Often, this just means having to make a few minor config > changes, such as adding your normal user to a specific group. For > example, on some systems, you may need to be a member of the audio group > i order to use the audio device. > > The difficulty here is that there are no set rules. It all depends on > your distro and how they have set things up. What is generally true is > that hardly anything other than software installation and low level > actions should require root privileges. Needing to run lots of htings as > root generally indicates a configuration problem. > > Tim > > > On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 21:35 -0400, John Joseph Morgan wrote: >> How can I tell if a normal user has sufficient privileges? >> I used to do something under /dev/audio, but I can't remember what. >> Thanks, >> -j >> On May 10, 2013, at 8:00 PM, Tim Cross <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> >>> I've never tried running as root with espeak or emacs, so can't comment >>> on differences. Very bad idea to run as root and should not be >>> necessary. Similar to always having your windows login running with >>> admin privs. You will expose yourself to malware and virus issues >>> (anyone who tells you Linux and OSX doesn't have malware or viruses is >>> talking rubbish). >>> >>> If you are seeing a difference between stability running as root >>> compared to a normal user, it might be that the normal user does not >>> have the necessary permissions to do things like use the real-time >>> scheduler which pulseaudio needs. However, I've not seen linux systems >>> having this problem for quite a few years now, so would be surprised. >>> >>> I run both gnome orca and emacspeak with espeak on one system, gnome >>> orca and emacspeak with outloud on another and emacspeak with just >>> espeak on a 3rd system. All are 64 bit. I've not noticed any significant >>> difference between the systems with respect to espeak. On all systems >>> using espeak, espeak is extremely stable with orca and speech dispatcher >>> and unstable with emacspeak. I also find espeak is very stable using >>> speechd-el. >>> >>> Tim >>> On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 19:17 -0400, John Joseph Morgan wrote: >>>> I see this too with espeak. It seems to go away when I run emacspeak with espeak under the root user. >>>> I have gnome started with orca at boot up. Is gnome and orca interfering somehow with a non-root user's use of espeak? >>>> John >>>> >>>> On May 10, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Tim Cross <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can just use the dmesg command in a terminal. >>>>> >>>>> I also see the regular loss of speech with espeak. I have never been >>>>> able to track down the issue, though I tend to get distracted with other >>>>> things when I try. I don't see this crashing with speechd or with espeak >>>>> and speech-dispatcher generally. It is limited to the emacspeak espeak >>>>> interface. >>>>> >>>>> I find disabling character echo can help a bit. Otherwise, I've just >>>>> gotten use to hitting C-e C-s to restart espeak when it stops >>>>> responding. >>>>> >>>>> I have noticed that I don't see this issue with the experiments I've >>>>> done that don't use tcl as the interface language. So it could be that >>>>> the problem is in the tcl layer, but this is just more guesswork. >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 11:50 +1000, Jason White wrote: >>>>>> Christopher Chaltain <chaltain@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't see this file on this system. It's a Ubuntu based system. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ubuntu keeps diverging from every other Linux distribution in a growing >>>>>> variety of ways. >>>>>> >>>>>> Try /var/log/syslog. 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