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Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4



Tim,
Sorry, I may have misunderstood your message. The last thing I would recommend is to run as root.
I was reporting something that I thought might lead to a better understanding of the problem.
I recently moved to ubuntu 12.10 and started to have these problems. I'm pretty sure I wasn't experiencing these problems with ubuntu 10.04.
Unless I misunderstood, you're having to restart espeak frequently, this doesn't seem to be a very stable situation.

Can you explain why we're seeing emacspeak and espeak crashing after  a couple of key strokes under a normal user and not seeing any kind of crashing under root?

I'm running ubuntu 12.10.
emacspeak 37.0
emacs 24.1.
I open a new terminal login with control alt f[1-6], then invoke emacspeak.

  
Actually, it's coming back to me now. I used to disable gnome by changing the run level for the login to 3 or something other than the level that brings up the guy. 
emacspeak and speak was rock solid after that.
I think gnome is messing things up.
I used to be able to do this in /etc/inittab, but that doesn't seem to be there anymore.
Thanks,
John

On May 10, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Tim Cross <tcross@une.edu.au> wrote:

> Turn it around the other way - what do you do which you cannot do as a
> normal user. Often, this just means having to make a few minor config
> changes, such as adding your normal user to a specific group. For
> example, on some systems, you may need to be a member of the audio group
> i order to use the audio device. 
> 
> The difficulty here is that there are no set rules. It all depends on
> your distro and how they have set things up. What is generally true is
> that hardly anything other than software installation and low level
> actions should require root privileges. Needing to run lots of htings as
> root generally indicates a configuration problem. 
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 21:35 -0400, John Joseph Morgan wrote:
>> How can I tell if a normal user has sufficient privileges?
>> I used to do something under /dev/audio, but I can't remember what.
>> Thanks,
>> -j
>> On May 10, 2013, at 8:00 PM, Tim Cross <tcross@une.edu.au> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I've never tried running as root with espeak or emacs, so can't comment
>>> on differences. Very bad idea to run as root and should not be
>>> necessary. Similar to always having your windows login running with
>>> admin privs. You will expose yourself to malware and virus issues
>>> (anyone who tells you Linux and OSX doesn't have malware or viruses is
>>> talking rubbish). 
>>> 
>>> If you are seeing a difference between stability running as root
>>> compared to a normal user, it might be that the normal user does not
>>> have the necessary permissions to do things like use the real-time
>>> scheduler which pulseaudio needs. However, I've not seen linux systems
>>> having this problem for quite a few years now, so would be surprised. 
>>> 
>>> I run both gnome orca and emacspeak with espeak on one system, gnome
>>> orca and emacspeak with outloud on another and emacspeak with just
>>> espeak on a 3rd system. All are 64 bit. I've not noticed any significant
>>> difference between the systems with respect to espeak. On all systems
>>> using espeak, espeak is extremely stable with orca and speech dispatcher
>>> and unstable with emacspeak. I also find espeak is very stable using
>>> speechd-el. 
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 19:17 -0400, John Joseph Morgan wrote:
>>>> I see this too with espeak. It seems to go away when I run emacspeak with espeak under the root user.
>>>> I have gnome started with orca at boot up. Is gnome and orca interfering somehow with a non-root user's use of espeak?
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Tim Cross <tcross@une.edu.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can just use the dmesg command in a terminal. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also see the regular loss of speech with espeak. I have never been
>>>>> able to track down the issue, though I tend to get distracted with other
>>>>> things when I try. I don't see this crashing with speechd or with espeak
>>>>> and speech-dispatcher generally. It is limited to the emacspeak espeak
>>>>> interface. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I find disabling character echo can help a bit. Otherwise, I've just
>>>>> gotten use to hitting C-e C-s to restart espeak when it stops
>>>>> responding. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have noticed that I don't see this issue with the experiments I've
>>>>> done that don't use tcl as the interface language. So it could be that
>>>>> the problem is in the tcl layer, but this is just more guesswork.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 11:50 +1000, Jason White wrote:
>>>>>> Christopher Chaltain <chaltain@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't see this file on this system. It's a Ubuntu based system.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ubuntu keeps diverging from every other Linux distribution in a growing
>>>>>> variety of ways.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Try /var/log/syslog. I don't have an Ubuntu-based system so I'm guessing here.
>>>>>> 
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