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I'm curious as to why he hit the right-word/left-word cases --
those commands were introduced   for use the in  the bidi
context.  On a graphical  window, alt-left/right do invoke those
commands -- I almost never press those keys, since I use M-f and
M-b.  Anyway they're now advised appropriately.
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On 12/2/13, Tim Cross <tcross@une.edu.au> wrote:
>
> I'm glad you were able to get things running.
>
> I don't think you should need those two bits of defadvice you have added.
> Emacspeak already does the right thing when you move forward/backward by
> words. If using M-<left>/M-<right> was not moving and speaking by words as
> you wanted, then what you probably need to do is re-bind those keys. Have a
> look in emacspeak-keymaps.el to see what the default emacspeak keybindings
> are.
>
> It is extremely rare to need to add additional advice to emacspeak to add
> spoken feedback for basic editing and movement commands. Usually, the only
> time it is necessary to add additional advice is when using a new mode or a
> mode not yet directly supported by emacspeak. In this case, given you are
> targeting basic movement commands, the functionality definitely exists, but
> perhaps not on the key bindings you would expect. Personally, I don't use
> the arrow keys for movement as I find it quicker to stick with the main
> keyboard and avoid having to move my hands too far from the "home keys".
>
> One reason to be a little conservative when adding additional advice and new
> functions is for maintenance. Rather than have multiple bits of advice which
> do roughly the same thing, it is far better to have one. Then, when
> something in emacs changes, such as the recent change to interactive-p, less
> of emacspeak needs to change and less change means less chance of new bugs.
>
>
> good luck
>
> Tim
> --
> Tim Cross
> IT Security Manager, Information Technology
> University of New England
> Armidale N.Sl.W. 2350
>
> Email: tcross@une.edu.au
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>
> On 03/12/2013, at 12:08 AM, lsmithso@hare.demon.co.uk wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi: I fixed my emacs path and was able to build emacspeak-39.0
>> OK. This fixed most of the problems.
>>
>> Audio icons wouldn't play because  emacspeak-play-args default was set
>> to "-n" instead of "-N".   "-n" isn't a valid aplay argument, at least
>> on vinux 4.0.
>>
>> emacspeak-version in emacspeak-setup.el is set to 38.0 rather than
>> 39.0.
>>
>> I added the following to advice the m-left/right keys. Its a straight
>> copy/paste of the  forward-word/backward-word functions, but it seems
>> to work.
>>
>>
>>  (defadvice right-word (after emacspeak pre act comp)
>>    "Speak the word you just moved to."
>>    (when (ems-interactive-p )
>>      (skip-syntax-forward " ")
>>      (emacspeak-speak-word )))
>>
>>  (defadvice left-word (after emacspeak pre act comp)
>>    "Speak the word you just moved to."
>>    (when (ems-interactive-p ) (emacspeak-speak-word )))
>> )
>>
>> The emacspeak ver
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> T. V. Raman writes:
>>>
>>> Make sure you're running the same Emacs that you built emacspeak
>>> with.
>>>
>>> make EMACS=<your_emacs>
>>>
>>> Everything you are seeing is because of version mismatch,
>>>>>>>> "lsmithso" == lsmithso  <lsmithso@hare.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>>    lsmithso> Hi: I fixed the first problem - I aliased emacs to
>>>    lsmithso> the path to emacs-24 , but make ignores aliases so
>>>    lsmithso> emacspeak was being built with emacs 23, so no
>>>    lsmithso> cl-proclaim.
>>>    lsmithso>
>>>    lsmithso> This fixed some of the other problems, but m-arrow
>>>    lsmithso> keys still do not work. I see in emacs-24 that
>>>    lsmithso> m-right arrow is bound to right-word, whereas in
>>>    lsmithso> emacs-23 its bound to forward-word. right-word is
>>>    lsmithso> not advised by emacspeak-39., which is why its
>>>    lsmithso> doesn't speak.
>>>    lsmithso>
>>>    lsmithso> What's the best way to fix this? Rebind the keys or
>>>    lsmithso> add advised functions?
>>>    lsmithso>
>>>    lsmithso> I've also lost the auditory icons. The blank line
>>>    lsmithso> and buffer modified beeps work though.
>>>    lsmithso>
>>>    lsmithso>
>>>    lsmithso>
>>>    lsmithso> lsmithso@hare.demon.co.uk writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi: I've been a happy and productive user of emacs-23.3
>>>>> and emacspeak 37.0 for a while now. I want to bite the
>>>>> bullet and update to the latest stable emacs + emacspeak
>>>>> versions. I've successfully built emacs 24.3 from source
>>>>> but I'm having trouble building and running
>>>>> emacspeak-39.0. I wondered if I might get some help.
>>>>>
>>>>> OS is stock Vinux 4.0 Emacs version 24.3 built from source
>>>>> Emacspeak version 39.0
>>>>>
>>>>> The first problem I have is with building emacspeak:
>>>>>
>>>>> emacspeak-webutils.el:56:1:Error: Symbol's function
>>>>> definition is void: cl-proclaim
>>>>>
>>>>> If I ignore this error and plow on (perhaps unwisely) with
>>>>> 'make -k', then run the result, I have the following
>>>>> problems:
>>>>>
>>>>> Cursor up and down speaks the whole line, but cursor left
>>>>> or right doesn't speak the character under the cursor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meta cursor left/right doesn't speak the word under the
>>>>> cursor.
>>>>>
>>>>> c-c Home goes home but doesn't speak the 1st line of the
>>>>> buffer.
>>>>>
>>>>> c-c End goes to the end of the buffer but doesn't sound
>>>>> the audio icon.
>>>>>
>>>>> A number of other audio icons seem to be missing, ie after
>>>>> a c-g.
>>>>>
>>>>> Incidentally, emacspeak-version in emacspeak-setup.el is
>>>>> stuck at 38.0.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any help you can give.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Les Smithson
>>>>>
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>>>    lsmithso>
>>>    lsmithso> -- Les Smithson
>>>    lsmithso>
>>>    lsmithso>
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>>> --
>>> Best Regards,
>>> --raman
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>> --
>> Les Smithson
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