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Re: DAISY reader et al
I understand this and agree that protecting GPL takes precedence.
What I'm unclear about is whether the NDA actually prevents
publishing source with the unpacker. I'll have to reread it. I
know that sounds crazy.
On Tue, 14 May 2002, T. V. Raman wrote:
>
> X-UID: 7304
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> With respect to your second question --
> Re: my signing an NDA with RFB/Daisy to implement a reader
> for unpacking their books --I will do no such thing
> --primarily because such an NDA will definitely tie my hands
> with respect to open sourcing the implementation.>>>>>
>
> In fact their policy as you describe will preclude any open
> source implementation, since their security by obscurity
> will not survive an open source implementation.
> This is also the reason why I have not bothered doing
>
> anything with bookshare.
> "Janina" == Janina Sajka <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>
> Janina> Hi, Raman: Thanks for the explanation. I know
> Janina> that book. It's rather old, so was written to an
> Janina> interim spec from about 3 years ago. It was an
> Janina> influential book at the time because it
> Janina> demonstrated important concepts we wanted to
> Janina> capture in the spec, but it is no way
> Janina> representative of the final ANSI Z39.86.
>
> Janina> I will get you copies of reference books as soon
> Janina> as some are available. In fact, I've already
> Janina> asked about the status of these. Some are in
> Janina> process at NLS, and others will be available
> Janina> from DAISY. Please recognize, though, that it
> Janina> will be some time--years actually--before
> Janina> DAISY3/ANSI Z39.86 content is generally
> Janina> available to patrons of various libraries for
> Janina> the blind around the world.
>
> Janina> What is available now is content encoded in
> Janina> DAISY 2.02. I strongly suggest support for this
> Janina> spec, because this is the spec usd by RNIB,
> Janina> CNIB, and RFB&D, to name but a few. I'm
> Janina> referring to thousands of titles available
> Janina> through these programs. Some of this content is
> Janina> text plus audio, most is audio only.
>
> Janina> I can also get yopu reference content for DAISY
> Janina> 2.02, and would be glad to do so. The spec is at
> Janina> http://www.daisy.org/publications/specifications.asp
> Janina> where it's available online and as a zip
> Janina> download.
>
> Janina> Here's the critical question regarding RFB&D
> Janina> books. Are you willing to sign an NDA with DAISY
> Janina> in order to get the spec for unpacking RFB&D
> Janina> content?
>
> Janina> Yes, they opted for an obscurity based security
> Janina> solution. Much could be said about why, and why
> Janina> it should be different. But, that's another
> Janina> discussion.
>
> Janina> The point here is that RFB&D will be shipping CD
> Janina> ROMs encoded according to an unpublished
> Janina> specification available to developers willing to
> Janina> sign an NDA with DAISY.
>
> Janina> On Mon, 13 May 2002, T. V. Raman wrote:
>
> >> Here is what happened --
> >>
> >> I ran into Markku Hakkinen at the W3C Cannes plenary
> >> reception in early March and when I asked him on the
> >> status of things in DaisyLand --he told me about the
> >> myriad of commercial players being built for Windows.
> >> So I asked him for a sample so I could write one for
> >> Linux.
> >>
> >> Along with a copy of the Daisy 3 spec, he gave me
> >> "The complete fairy tales of Charles Perrault"
> >> allegedly in in Daisy3 format -- after coming home I
> >> wrote a player for it one evening.
> >>
> >> I say "allegedly" above because the navigation xml
> >> file I got from him does not validate either against
> >> the DTD he gave me then or the eventual Daisy3 spec.
> >>
> >> The functionality that is implemented is documented
> >> in the online info pages; when and if Daisy3 content
> >> becomes available --and that content is something I
> >> want to read i.e., not just fairy tales-- I will
> >> probably add to what the emacspeak daisy player does.
> >>
> >> >>>>> "Janina" == Janina Sajka <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> writes:
> >>
> Janina> Raman; Ann's question about the DAISY reader in
> Janina> Emacspeak 16 reminds me to ask a similar
> Janina> question of you.
> >>
> Janina> The docs say this is a device for reading
> Janina> DAISY3content. But, there are yet no titles in
> Janina> this format. Indeed, I'm not aware that DAISY
> Janina> has yet adopted ANSI Z39.86 as DAISY3, though
> Janina> they certainly will.
> >>
> Janina> So, here's the question ...
> >>
> Janina> What titles did you test with?
> >>
> Janina> --
> >>
> Janina> Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and
> Janina> Development Governmental Relations Group
> Janina> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >>
> Janina> Email: janina@xxxxxxxxxxx Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >>
> Janina> Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book
> Janina> Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org
> >>
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> Janina> --
>
> Janina> Janina Sajka,
> Janina> Director Technology Research and Development
> Janina> Governmental Relations Group American Foundation
> Janina> for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Janina> Email: janina@xxxxxxxxxxx Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Janina> Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book
> Janina> Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org
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>
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Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@xxxxxxxxxxx Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org
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