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Re: pulseaudio



The reason they "talk over each other" is that orca does not shut
up when used with a self-voicing application. This had been one
of my first asks of all screenreader developers when those
efforts started with the work on ATK in early 2000 --- sadly it's
been mostly ignored.

You can tell orca to mostly shut up by creating an Emacs.py
script for orca that passes on all events. However orca *will*
speak when you type characters etc --- which makes the whole
thing completely unusable -- not just slightly.
At this point there is nothing that can be done from the
emacspeak side to alleviate this -- other than recommending that
if using both emacspeak and orca, then you either run emacspeak
at the console --- or you kill orca when you start emacspeak.

Note that running emacspeak at the console loses little, since
with Emacs 23 (CVS) you can now open a frame on the running emacs
from the X side --- launch emacsclient at a terminal under X, and
it'll open a frame on the emacs you started on the console.

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <tcross@rapttech.com.au> writes:
    Tim> I also meant to say that I suspect you will still have
    Tim> problems with orca and emacspeak interaction even if you
    Tim> get a method for multiple sound soruces to run
    Tim> together. The two seem to 'talk over each other'. I've
    Tim> managed to get both working with emacspeak running on
    Tim> the console and orca running under X. This seems to
    Tim> reduce the 'chatter' and makes things usable, even if a
    Tim> bit inconvenient.
    Tim> 
    Tim> Also note that I've seen quite a bit of traffic on the
    Tim> speechd mailing list regarding pulseaudio - they seem to
    Tim> have had a fair amount of problems with it and it would
    Tim> seem its a bit of a pain to get working reliably - too
    Tim> many version issues and getting all versions in a
    Tim> compatible config etc. Check the speechd list archives
    Tim> for more info.
    Tim> 
    Tim> 
    Tim> 
    Tim> 
    Tim> T. V. Raman writes:
    >> Alsa dmix works --- believe in it.
    >> 
    >> >>>>> "bart" == bart <bart@bunting.net.au> writes:
    bart> Yes, but what pulseaudio does is mix sound streams.  So
    bart> theoretically I could have two applications speaking at
    bart> the same time.  Although alsa's dmix is meant to do
    bart> this as well.  In practice it has never worked for me,
    bart> it does with some applications and not others even
    bart> though they are all using alsa.  Regards
    bart> 
    bart> Bart
    bart> 
    bart> Janina Sajka writes:
    >> >> Unless I misunderstand it, it's not an either or >>
    >> situation. I don't believe pulseaudio provides drivers for
    >> >> audio hardware. Rather, it's for managing user and >>
    >> application access.
    >> >> 
    >> >> The one use case on their site is about two people, a
    >> >> couple, logging in and out of the desktop without
    >> issues >> of audio access. Woefully insufficient, of
    >> course. We''' >> have to expand their thinking, I suspect.
    >> >> 
    >> >> Janina
    >> >> 
    >> >> bart@bunting.net.au writes:> Hi list,
    >> >> > 
    >> >> > Does anyone know what would be involved in getting
    >> the >> outloud speech server to use pulseaudio instead of
    >> alsa >> directly?
    >> >> > 
    >> >> > If this was done am I correct in assuming that
    >> emacspeak >> would be able to run along side orca if they
    >> are both >> using pulseaudio?
    >> >> > 
    >> >> > Has anyone already thought about this?
    >> >> > 
    >> >> > Regards
    >> >> > 
    >> >> > Bart
    >> >> > 
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Tim Cross tcross@rapttech.com.au
    Tim> 
    Tim> There are two types of people in IT - those who do not
    Tim> manage what they understand and those who do not
    Tim> understand what they manage.

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