Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

[Tim Cross <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

The auditory icon stuff is a good idea. I'd forgotten on my systems, I
use a simple shell script which calls paplay and use that instead of
aplay, so all my stuff is going through pulseaudio. 

Tim


On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 18:27 -0700, T. V. Raman wrote:
> From everything I have seen on this thread re espeak behavior, I
> suspect that those who are seeing issues are seeing them due to
> conflicts between pulse and alsa as usual.  One way to confirm
> this is to turn off auditory icons; In cases where pulse causes
> audio to degrade, it will typically bite when auditory icons are
> on -- since emacspeak makes many, many calls to aplay in short
> bursts depending on what you're doing.  
> >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>     Tim> When you lose speech on the netbook, after hitting C-e
>     Tim> C-s to restart the espeak server, is it pretty stable
>     Tim> then?
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> I've noticed on netbooks and other devices which are not
>     Tim> a resource rich, you can get additional instability,
>     Tim> especially when first starting. However, after
>     Tim> re-starting the emacspeak speech server, it isn't too
>     Tim> bad.
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> To be honest, on any 32 bit system, I will always use
>     Tim> ibmtts/outloud rather than espeak. Outloud I think is a
>     Tim> better quality tts and is much better than espeak for
>     Tim> emacspeak.
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> For speech-dispatcher, on 64 bit systems, espeak is
>     Tim> really good and I'll use espeak if I don't want to
>     Tim> pollute my 64 bit system with a whole pile of 32 bit
>     Tim> libraries. While modern linux distros seem to handle
>     Tim> mixed 32/64 bit libs, I think sticking with just 64 bit
>     Tim> is probably going to reduce the likelihood of problems.
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> My guess for the difference with your netbook will be
>     Tim> due to the lower performance and resources of the
>     Tim> netbook.
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> Tim
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 07:17 -0500, Christopher Chaltain
>     Tim> wrote:
>     >> In my particular case, I have the following two
>     >> situations:
>     >> 
>     >> I have Vinux 4 64-bit running in a VM. I'm running Emacs24
>     >> and Emacspeak 37. I'm using my own version of eSpeak 1.47
>     >> that I compiled myself using the runtime option. I did
>     >> this to keep from losing the last syllable when using
>     >> eSpeak. Further note that I set it up this way before the
>     >> eSpeak package in Vinux 4 was updated to also use the
>     >> runtime option. I'm running Emacs on the desktop, and I
>     >> have no issues whatsoever with eSpeak.
>     >> 
>     >> On my netbook running Vinux 4 32-bit, I'm running Emacs24
>     >> and Emacspeak 37. I'm using the eSpeak that's now shipped
>     >> with Vinux 4, which is eSpeak 1.47. I don't have the
>     >> situation with the dropped syllables, but I do lose speech
>     >> shortly after starting Emacspeak. It doesn't look like the
>     >> Emacspeak eSpeak server is crashing. I'm also running
>     >> Emacs on the desktop.
>     >> 
>     >> Vinux 4 is based on Ubuntu 12.04.
>     >> 
>     >> I'm curious why I get one behavior on one system and
>     >> another behavior on the other. One thing I can try is to
>     >> compile my own version of eSpeak on my 32-bit netbook, but
>     >> I'd like to see if I could use the system wide eSpeak and
>     >> eliminate one thing from my to do list every time I
>     >> install a new system.
>     >> 
>     >> 
>     >> On 05/10/2013 06:17 PM, John Joseph Morgan wrote: > I see
>     >> this too with espeak. It seems to go away when I run
>     >> emacspeak with espeak under the root user. > I have gnome
>     >> started with orca at boot up. Is gnome and orca
>     >> interfering somehow with a non-root user's use of espeak?
>     >> > John
>     >> >
>     >> > On May 10, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Tim Cross
>     >> <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>     >> >
>     >> >>
>     >> >> You can just use the dmesg command in a terminal.
>     >> >>
>     >> >> I also see the regular loss of speech with espeak. I
>     >> have never been >> able to track down the issue, though I
>     >> tend to get distracted with other >> things when I try. I
>     >> don't see this crashing with speechd or with espeak >> and
>     >> speech-dispatcher generally. It is limited to the
>     >> emacspeak espeak >> interface.
>     >> >>
>     >> >> I find disabling character echo can help a
>     >> bit. Otherwise, I've just >> gotten use to hitting C-e C-s
>     >> to restart espeak when it stops >> responding.
>     >> >>
>     >> >> I have noticed that I don't see this issue with the
>     >> experiments I've >> done that don't use tcl as the
>     >> interface language. So it could be that >> the problem is
>     >> in the tcl layer, but this is just more guesswork.
>     >> >>
>     >> >> Tim
>     >> >>
>     >> >>
>     >> >> On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 11:50 +1000, Jason White wrote:
>     >> >>> Christopher Chaltain <chaltain@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>>> I don't see this file on this system. It's a Ubuntu
>     >> based system.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> Ubuntu keeps diverging from every other Linux
>     >> distribution in a growing >>> variety of ways.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> Try /var/log/syslog. I don't have an Ubuntu-based
>     >> system so I'm guessing here.
>     >> >>>
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