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Re: Emacspeak installation information



I can speak to the bookshare issue you are having. I do not use Emacs for that sort of thing. To me, it is an editor and I use other stuff for things like daisy. My iPhone does a truly fantabulous job with that using the Voice Stream app. As for e-speak support, the solution would probably go along these lines:

1. Emacspeakś makefile to be modified to compile and configure e-speak as default server. 2. Espeak voice file to be modified to fix current voice lock issue. Variants appear to be misnamed. That, or the command to call them is miswritten. It has something along the lines of an xml tag with attributes for gender and number but none for variant name. This is different from invoking e-speak from the command line with other variants.

espeak --v male1 ext'

This produces text using the male1 variant.

espeak --v female2 ext


And on, and on, and on. I would be willing to make the necessary modification to the espeak.el file but I can make head or tail of the xml code embedded in elisp to know quite where to modify things.

Thanks.
Alex




On 09/15/2014 05:38 PM, kendell clark wrote:
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I'd agree with this. The espeak supports needs improvement, as well as
emacspeak-bookshare, unless i'm missing some configuration step. I
keep running into an error of, bookshare password for nil. I enter the
password, and a few seconds later, "Does not look like a bookshare
response" I think either bookshare support is broken, or maybe the
bookshare API has changed, not sure.
Thanks
Kendell clark

On 09/15/2014 05:31 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
Ubuntu has a deb package fo r emacspeak 38. Also one for speech. It
is already two versions behind. Also, speech server package runs
into trouble because DECtalk express is still default speech
engine. They don't even make it anymore. Do not know why. It is
still the default. E-speak makes more sense because it is
everywhere now

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Florian Beijers
<florianbeijers@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I think it is a matter of inclination more than a matter of
expertise. A lot of these steps, when I look at them as you have
listed them here, can be automated perfectly easily. Trouble is
mainly caused by the distro-specific espeak packages and tcl. I
am not an expert at this but from my point of view it doesn't
look too difficult to make distro-specific packages (.deb, .rpm)
for this and write an install script that automates pretty much
the whole deal. I would do it, but I am currently swamped with
other stuff and just don't have the time and resources to learn
and research Bash scripting and distro package maintenance ...

Regards, Florian

2014-09-16 0:16 GMT+02:00, Alex Midence
<alex.midence@gmail.com>:
Yes, it's a royal pain to get working.  Basically, here's what
you have to do:

1.  Get the source via svn: $ svn co
http://emacspeak.googlecode.com/svn/trunk emacspeak 2.  Get the
espeak development library packages.  (This is distro-specific
so, do some digging) 3.  Get tcl8.4. 4. cd into the emacspeak
directory and as root type make config 5.  Type make emacspeak
as root. 6.  cd into the servers directory and find the
linux-espeak directory and cd into it. 7.  Now, do a make; make
install either as sudo or root. 8.  Issue the following
environment variable command: Export DTK_PROGRAM=espeak 9.
nano /usr/bin/emacspeak 10.  Arrow down to bottom of the file
and get that -q out of there. Arrow up to the line referring to
emacs in unary mode and put a hash in front of it to coment
out.  Ctrl x and save.

After all that, type emacspeak at a command line prompt and all
should be well.  Those of you shouting and hollering that it
shouldn't be this hard are right but, trouble is, no one seems
to either have the expertise or inclination to make it easier.



-----Original Message----- From: kendell clark
[mailto:coffeekingms@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 15,
2014 5:03 PM To: Florian Beijers; emacspeak list Subject: Re:
Emacspeak installation information


hi Here, here. I run into this issue constantly. I've actually
gotten emacspeak working, kind of, on arch. The pckage build is
unmaintained, and I have to modify the build script just to get it
to build. Then tclx builds empty binaries, and I have to try to
remember what I did to get it working. Then I can't get daisy mode
to work ... and the cycle repeats. Once I actually get into
emacspeak and get the stuff working, it's phenomenal. The
eloquence support is much g better than espeak, but I guess that'll
get fixed eventually. Emacspeak is a fantastic concept ... If it
just worked instead of returning with process speaker not working,
that's because of tclx screwing up, by the way. We need good docs,
and we need maintainers of the various distro's emacspeak
packages. Thanks Kendell clark

On 09/15/2014 04:48 PM, Florian Beijers wrote: Hi,

I just finished reading through the Emacspeak at 20 article
and entered what I have dubbed my "Emacspeak loop"  again.
This basically consists of me wanting to try Emacspeak,
building a vm of the latest blind-friendly Linux distro out
there to save time, downloading the latest emacspeak,
trying to set it up, failing, getting frustrated and giving
up. It has become a trend for me to wonder what strange,
unclear error will jump out at me next when I try to
configure and build Emacspeak. The installation howto that
is available appears to last have been updated about 12
years ago and scraping together bits and pieces from this
list , as well as other blogs, sometimes help me enough to
actually get a semi-stable instance of Emacspeak going if
I'm lucky. Now don't get me wrong, I really like the
concept Emacspeak is trying to portray. I am a computer
science student myself and aim for this to be my chosen
career path. I'd like Emacspeak to be a part of that, but
if I keep having to work a day or more to make the system
boot up, let alone run smoothly, I am wondering where
things are going wrong. Shouldn't we take a bit of time to
make this part of the emacspeak experience a little more
user-friendly? Think of writing up accurate and
contemporary installation docs? Perhaps change the
installation script so it actually looks for what speech
system is currently being used rather than making the user
manually configure this, just to name an example? I like
the configurability Emacspeak provides. It gives you the
opportunity to change everything to your liking, but
again, this is no use to anybody if they can't get the
system to work. I've recommended Emacspeak to others in the
past and more often than notwas met with a reply sounding
something like "Hmm ...yeah I've heard of it and played
around with it, but I never really got it to work ..." . I
think this is a shame. The more users Emacspeak has the
better it can become. Configurability is good, but
sometimes it's also nice to have a way to quickly get
things to work. I just thought of something while writing
this long email, could vagrant not offer a solution here?
Offer pre-made linux VM's where Emacspeak is already
configured? I'm just throwing ideas out there, because I
really think this needs to be improved.

Regards, Florian

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