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Re: Emacspeak ignores custom values from the .emacs file



Hey Tim,

Thanks so much for this really good write-up and org file. this
explains a lot. It also shows me how much more I need to learn about
getting the most out of emacs and emacspeak. You must have spent
considerable time documenting the thing. I think I would have to get
used to reading literal style programming though. I definitely like
comments in programs but I'm afraid I could drown in documentation
while tracking down some code. I could get used to it though. This
concept reminds me of perl with its perlpod insertions and I believe
python has something similar but not sure.

Again, thanks for sharing this setup. I will be picking over this file
over time and see what I can push into my own environment. It will be
a work in progress for sure.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 11:28:27AM +1000, Tim Cross wrote:
> OK, for those who are interested, I have uploaded my init.org file to
> github. The init.org file can be downloaded and opened in emacs using
> org-mode. You can then run M-x org-babel-load-file <RET> init.org to
> generate the *.el files. Note that you probably should do this in a
> temporary directory and not your .emacs.d directory to see what happens.
> The temporary directory will also need a subdirectory called lisp for this
> to work correctly.
> 
> Use at your own risk. The url is
> https://github.com/theophilusx/emacs-init-org.git
> 
> On 11 June 2015 at 23:04, Steve Holmes <steve@holmesgrown.com> wrote:
> 
> > I would be most interested in your setup. I had no idea org-mode could be
> > used in this manner. I looked briefly at the org-babel stuff and I have to
> > do a lot more reading to understand it fully. Apparently, you can actually
> > execute or evaluate code from org-mode but it sounds like you are doing
> > something different. Anyway, I think some examples here will go much
> > further to explain how to do this.
> >
> > I look forward to what you can share. Getting emacspeak working just the
> > way we want can be a challenge.
> >
> > > On Jun 10, 2015, at 3:33 PM, Tim Cross <tcross@une.edu.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > So far, using org-mode seems to work well. I’m still tweaking it a bit
> > to get it right, but essentially, you can define your elisp blocks so that
> > when you generate the code from the file, it will put various blocks in
> > different *.el files. In my setup, I have a directory in .emacs.d called
> > ‘lisp’ where all my *.el files go - for example, I have init-emacspeak.el
> > >
> > > In my .emacs.d directory, I have an init.org file and an init.el file.
> > The init.el file and the *.el files in the lisp directory are all generated
> > from the init.org file. The init.el file is essentially just some basic
> > setup code i.e. setting load-path etc and then a whole bunch of require
> > statements which load files from the lisp directory.
> > >
> > > I will try to find time to clean up my init.org file and will then ut
> > it up on github in case anyone wants to have a look at it. However,
> > emacspeak users will need to recognise that my setup is a bit more complex
> > than most users will need and has a lot of additional packages which many
> > probably won’t want. Provided people use it just as a guide and not a
> > canned configuration file, I’m happy for people to use whatever they want
> > from it. I will not be in a position to help debug any problems people run
> > into.
> > >
> > > I have also included an experimental ‘get me out of trouble’ feature,
> > which should allow easy startup of emacs with emacspeak in a minimal
> > configuration - the idea being that if you break things, you have an escape
> > hatch to get basic functionality back.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > <une.png>
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim Cross
> > >
> > > IT Security Manager
> > > Information Technology Directorate
> > >
> > > University of New England
> > > Armidale N.S.W. 2351 Australia
> > >
> > > Email: tcross@une.edu.au
> > > Phone: +61 2 6773 3210
> > > Mobile: +61 428 212 217
> > >
> > >> On 11 Jun 2015, at 12:04 am, T. V. Raman <tv.raman.tv@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> That's good to hear -- re org -- have been planning to do
> > >> something like that for myself -- just haven't had the time. My
> > >> .custom file keeps corrupting itself and I started keeping it
> > >> under git control -- but that doesn't help much either. A giant
> > >> custom file basically becomes a single-point of failure -- it's
> > >> like the Windows Registry:-)
> > >>>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <tcross@une.edu.au> writes:
> > >>    Tim> ?Hi Victor, I think Raman hit the nail on the head - the
> > >>    Tim> dtk speech settings, such as speech rate, are a little
> > >>    Tim> different and need to be setup as part of the startup
> > >>    Tim> hook. Have a look at his settings in the tvr directory
> > >>    Tim> for good examples. I moved away from using the custom
> > >>    Tim> stuff, preferring to do it manually. In fact, I recently
> > >>    Tim> moved to using org-mode with babel and now keep all my
> > >>    Tim> emacs config in a file called init.org and use org modes
> > >>    Tim> babel support to export the relevant bits as *.el files
> > >>    Tim> in my .emacs.d directory. Quite like using this literate
> > >>    Tim> programming approach to maintaining my configuration as
> > >>    Tim> it provides more background/notes on why certain
> > >>    Tim> configuraitons are done in certain ways.
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Tim
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> -- Tim Cross IT Security Manager Information Technology
> > >>    Tim> Directorate University of New England Armidale NSW 2351
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Phone: +61 2 6773 3210 Mobile: +61 428 212 217 Email:
> > >>    Tim> tcross@une.edu.au ________________________________ From:
> > >>    Tim> Victor Tsaran <vtsaran@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 10
> > >>    Tim> June 2015 2:18 PM To: Tim Cross Cc: emacspeak Subject:
> > >>    Tim> Re: Emacspeak ignores custom values from the .emacs file
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Hello TIm. All of your assumptions are correct. I set
> > >>    Tim> custom values from the Easy Customization wizards,
> > >>    Tim> Emacspeak is loaded from the first line of my .emacs
> > >>    Tim> file and c-e c-s does not make any difference in my
> > >>    Tim> scenario.
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Thanks, Victor
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Tim Cross
> > >>    Tim> <theophilusx@gmail.com<mailto:theophilusx@gmail.com>>
> > >>    Tim> wrote: Hi Victor,
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> we probably need a bit more info as there are different
> > >>    Tim> ways of doing this.
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Can you clarify - are you using emacs custom to set
> > >>    Tim> these values or have you created entries manually in
> > >>    Tim> your emacs init file to customize emacs settings?
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> I'm assuming you have a line in your .emacs file to load
> > >>    Tim> the emacspeak startup stuff - is this at the beginning
> > >>    Tim> of your .emacs file?
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Is this with all emacspeak settings or just some?
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> If you restart the server with C-e C-s, do your settings
> > >>    Tim> take effect?
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Tim
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> On 9 June 2015 at 16:40, Victor Tsaran
> > >>    Tim> <vtsaran@gmail.com<mailto:vtsaran@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>    Tim> Hi. I've noticed the below behavior since I started
> > >>    Tim> running from the git repository, but didn't want to ask
> > >>    Tim> here before looking around. Unfortunately, I did not
> > >>    Tim> find any answer, so am posting here... After making the
> > >>    Tim> Emacspeak-relatedcustomizations, which are saved in my
> > >>    Tim> .emacs file, every time I start Emacs with Emacspeak,
> > >>    Tim> the latter ignores Emacspeak-related values from . emacs
> > >>    Tim> and reverts to the default ones. For example, if I set
> > >>    Tim> my Mac speech rate to 550, Emacspeak reverts to the
> > >>    Tim> default one (225) upon startup. I know that my .emacs is
> > >>    Tim> in good condition because other values are loaded with
> > >>    Tim> no problems.
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Where else can I look to troubleshoot this?
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Thanks, Victor
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> -- regards,
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> Tim
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim> -- Tim Cross
> > >>    Tim>
> > >>    Tim>
> > >
> >
> >
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> 
> -- 
> regards,
> 
> Tim
> 
> --
> Tim Cross

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