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Re: CLI versus GUI [was "Re: The great software speech server hunt"]



No, the other devices you site are neither G.u.I. nor C.L.I. Those new 
devices are all N.U.I. natural user interface.  There's lots of blocked 
paths for development for people with no memory of vision under that 
interface type too, but there is one wide open path.  The newer paths 
are no good, but interface builder is done with the command line 
interface.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

> I agree it's not a matter of one versus the other, but I don't think
> it's true that GUI presupposes CLI or that mouse presupposes keyboards.
> There are multiple devices out there now, tablets and cell phones for
> example, which have a GUI and a touch pad but no keyboard and maybe no
> CLI either. If the GUI had absolutely no advantage over a CLI then why
> is it so popular? Maybe we're talking about just software development,
> but GUI development environments, like Eclipse, are also very popular,
> and I can't imagine this would be the case if they had nothing to offer.
> IMHO, I think both the CLI and the GUI have their place, for blind and
> sighted computer users alike. I'd also like to see the parameters of
> this study, but as I said earlier, I am dubious that the blind are
> somehow disadvantaged when using a GUI other than regarding issues of
> accessibility.
> 
> On 29/01/12 11:38, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > It's not even a matter of versus.  G.U.I. cannot exist without C.L.I.  
> > Neither can mouse live without keyboard.  Use of C.L.I. and keyboard 
> > even in xp helps technicians repair problems they either cannot repair 
> > with G.U.I. or the problems would take too long to repair with G.U.I.
> > When doing G.U.I. programming accessibility isn't all that's needed.  
> > Mmeory of vision and the more of it is better than less is what's also 
> > needed.  I've ben using windows at work from 1995 to the present and 
> > started out with windows 3.11 and I've come to the conclusion which 
> > other former dos users who are my colleagues also agree with that 
> > nothing more is being accomplished with G.U.I. than was being 
> > accomplished by dos in the years past.  That includes inacessibility, 
> > Microsoft word for dos and a flowchart program by patent software and 
> > xtalk otherwise known as crosstalk were three examples some were using 
> > before windows came into our workplace.  I use windows at home as little 
> > as possible and suppose I'll be able to do development with it with the 
> > linux clones rather than anything Microsoft produced.  I don't consider 
> > any activity done with any part of any version of Microsoft Office as 
> > development either.  Ruby on the other hand would classify as 
> > development as would python and java.  I was able to do some development 
> > with the visualbasic interface of dot net, but that was console-based 
> > only.  I tried G.U.I. and found it way more complex than console-based 
> > programming just to get the simplest projects done.  I didn't get into 
> > anything more complex because shortly after I finished the first of the 
> > simplest G.U.I. projects I read the email about that study.
> > 
> > On Sun, 29 Jan 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > 
> >> I'd be curious to take a look at this study myself, although I'm a bit
> >> dubious. I've been using the GUI since 1991 when Screen Reader/2 came
> >> out for OS/2, and given the proper accessibility, I think the blind can
> >> get the same advantages from the GUI that the sighted get. I'm also
> >> curious if this article implies that the blind are somehow disadvantaged
> >> when using the GUI. IMHO, the CLI and the GUI each have there advantages
> >> and disadvantages, and whether you prefer one over the other depends on
> >> who you are, how you use your computer and what you'll be using it for.
> >> This is true for the blind and the sighted alike.
> >>
> >> On 28/01/12 23:03, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>> Not in my files any longer.  I think I was so shocked when I read that 
> >>> message I forgot to save it but did forward it to another person who is 
> >>> very interested in accessibility and ways it is and isn't accomplished.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012, Jason White wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@shellworld.net> wrote:
> >>>>> I have been fully blind from birth and that's why I do better with 
> >>>>> C.L.I. than G.U.I. too acording to a study released a few years ago from 
> >>>>> R.N.I.B. 
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you have a reference to the study mentioned above?
> >>>>
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