Re: Emacspeak with eSpeak losing speech on Vinux 4

[Tim Cross <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

>From memory, the reason I used a script was because I just wanted
something quick and found that I couldn't just replace the setting in
emacspeak for aplay because aplay was always called with a specific
argument/glag which was not easily customizable. The script was faster
than creating and loading a new elisp function. 

Yes, we probably just should add a pulseaudio option. Will put it on the
todo list.

Tim


On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 20:05 -0700, T. V. Raman wrote:
> so why do you need a shell script rather than just running
> paplay?
> 
> Take a look at emacspeak-sounds.el -- it lets you  setup
> auditory icon functions via custom.  At present it provides a few
> choices; I suspect we should add one for pulseaudio users.  I've
> explicitly nuked pulse from all my machines, and therefore am not
> going to create it;  but if you have a pulseaudio setup and
> already have the shell script, it would be useful to translate
> that into an appropriate function, add it to emacspeak-sounds.el,
> and then allow pulse users to set that up via custom.
> >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>     Tim> The auditory icon stuff is a good idea. I'd forgotten on
>     Tim> my systems, I use a simple shell script which calls
>     Tim> paplay and use that instead of aplay, so all my stuff is
>     Tim> going through pulseaudio.
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> Tim
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 18:27 -0700, T. V. Raman wrote:
>     >> From everything I have seen on this thread re espeak
>     >> behavior, I suspect that those who are seeing issues are
>     >> seeing them due to conflicts between pulse and alsa as
>     >> usual. One way to confirm this is to turn off auditory
>     >> icons; In cases where pulse causes audio to degrade, it
>     >> will typically bite when auditory icons are on -- since
>     >> emacspeak makes many, many calls to aplay in short bursts
>     >> depending on what you're doing. >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cross
>     >> <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>     Tim> When you lose speech on the netbook, after hitting C-e
>     Tim> C-s to restart the espeak server, is it pretty stable
>     Tim> then?
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> I've noticed on netbooks and other devices which are not
>     Tim> a resource rich, you can get additional instability,
>     Tim> especially when first starting. However, after
>     Tim> re-starting the emacspeak speech server, it isn't too
>     Tim> bad.
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> To be honest, on any 32 bit system, I will always use
>     Tim> ibmtts/outloud rather than espeak. Outloud I think is a
>     Tim> better quality tts and is much better than espeak for
>     Tim> emacspeak.
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> For speech-dispatcher, on 64 bit systems, espeak is
>     Tim> really good and I'll use espeak if I don't want to
>     Tim> pollute my 64 bit system with a whole pile of 32 bit
>     Tim> libraries. While modern linux distros seem to handle
>     Tim> mixed 32/64 bit libs, I think sticking with just 64 bit
>     Tim> is probably going to reduce the likelihood of problems.
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> My guess for the difference with your netbook will be
>     Tim> due to the lower performance and resources of the
>     Tim> netbook.
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> Tim
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> 
>     Tim> On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 07:17 -0500, Christopher Chaltain
>     Tim> wrote:
>     >> >> In my particular case, I have the following two >>
>     >> situations:
>     >> >> 
>     >> >> I have Vinux 4 64-bit running in a VM. I'm running
>     >> Emacs24 >> and Emacspeak 37. I'm using my own version of
>     >> eSpeak 1.47 >> that I compiled myself using the runtime
>     >> option. I did >> this to keep from losing the last
>     >> syllable when using >> eSpeak. Further note that I set it
>     >> up this way before the >> eSpeak package in Vinux 4 was
>     >> updated to also use the >> runtime option. I'm running
>     >> Emacs on the desktop, and I >> have no issues whatsoever
>     >> with eSpeak.
>     >> >> 
>     >> >> On my netbook running Vinux 4 32-bit, I'm running
>     >> Emacs24 >> and Emacspeak 37. I'm using the eSpeak that's
>     >> now shipped >> with Vinux 4, which is eSpeak 1.47. I don't
>     >> have the >> situation with the dropped syllables, but I do
>     >> lose speech >> shortly after starting Emacspeak. It
>     >> doesn't look like the >> Emacspeak eSpeak server is
>     >> crashing. I'm also running >> Emacs on the desktop.
>     >> >> 
>     >> >> Vinux 4 is based on Ubuntu 12.04.
>     >> >> 
>     >> >> I'm curious why I get one behavior on one system and >>
>     >> another behavior on the other. One thing I can try is to
>     >> >> compile my own version of eSpeak on my 32-bit netbook,
>     >> but >> I'd like to see if I could use the system wide
>     >> eSpeak and >> eliminate one thing from my to do list every
>     >> time I >> install a new system.
>     >> >> 
>     >> >> 
>     >> >> On 05/10/2013 06:17 PM, John Joseph Morgan wrote: > I
>     >> see >> this too with espeak. It seems to go away when I
>     >> run >> emacspeak with espeak under the root user. > I have
>     >> gnome >> started with orca at boot up. Is gnome and orca
>     >> >> interfering somehow with a non-root user's use of
>     >> espeak? >> > John
>     >> >> >
>     >> >> > On May 10, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Tim Cross >>
>     >> <tcross@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>     >> >> >
>     >> >> >>
>     >> >> >> You can just use the dmesg command in a terminal.
>     >> >> >>
>     >> >> >> I also see the regular loss of speech with espeak. I
>     >> >> have never been >> able to track down the issue, though
>     >> I >> tend to get distracted with other >> things when I
>     >> try. I >> don't see this crashing with speechd or with
>     >> espeak >> and >> speech-dispatcher generally. It is
>     >> limited to the >> emacspeak espeak >> interface.
>     >> >> >>
>     >> >> >> I find disabling character echo can help a >>
>     >> bit. Otherwise, I've just >> gotten use to hitting C-e C-s
>     >> >> to restart espeak when it stops >> responding.
>     >> >> >>
>     >> >> >> I have noticed that I don't see this issue with the
>     >> >> experiments I've >> done that don't use tcl as the >>
>     >> interface language. So it could be that >> the problem is
>     >> >> in the tcl layer, but this is just more guesswork.
>     >> >> >>
>     >> >> >> Tim
>     >> >> >>
>     >> >> >>
>     >> >> >> On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 11:50 +1000, Jason White
>     >> wrote: >> >>> Christopher Chaltain <chaltain@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>     >> wrote:
>     >> >> >>>
>     >> >> >>>> I don't see this file on this system. It's a
>     >> Ubuntu >> based system.
>     >> >> >>>
>     >> >> >>> Ubuntu keeps diverging from every other Linux >>
>     >> distribution in a growing >>> variety of ways.
>     >> >> >>>
>     >> >> >>> Try /var/log/syslog. I don't have an Ubuntu-based
>     >> >> system so I'm guessing here.
>     >> >> >>>
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